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To: laweeks
I don't care what HE cuts off HIS body or what kind of clothes HE's wearing, every cell in HIS body is a male cell. I can't believe how the subsequent news articles about this tragedy are hell bent on calling HIM a woman.

What is your opinion on XXY chromosome'd people and hermaphrodites? Such individuals do exist.

Klinefelter's syndrome article.(XXY chromosomes)

Turner's syndrome. (one X chromosome)

True hermaphroditism

Sadly, some people just don't fit into the convenient categories that easily.

138 posted on 04/25/2011 12:51:44 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

Also see full-blown Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.


148 posted on 04/25/2011 1:11:44 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Follow me on Twitter @mpetrie98)
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To: Jack Black
What is your opinion on XXY chromosome'd people and hermaphrodites? Such individuals do exist.

That's different. But to deliberately have your body mutilated, and then expect people to consider you "transgendered" is bizarre.

I've known such a person personally and have always felt bad for him that he didn't get psychological help to solve his problem.

Hermaphrodites are a whole different story; this man is NOT a hermaphrodite from what the article showed.

171 posted on 04/25/2011 3:26:26 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: Jack Black

Yes indeed. The lack of knowledge I’ve seen in the threads about this horrible incident prompted me to register. The fact that anyone could condone this viscious beating because the victim is some “freak” in their minds is appalling.

Just a little bit of research on the subject and one will discover that sex, the state of being male or female is a phenotype, not genotype. The former is about traits in the whole macro organism, while the latter is about the genes on the cellular level.

99.9% of the time, a human fertilized egg that proceeds to a live birth will be either male or female quite obviously. The other 0.1% of the time (1 out of 1000), things go awry, and the result is now known as “intersex”, meaning there is enough ambiquity that some medical intervention is required.

Intersex used to be called “hermaphrodism”, but that term was a relic of the 19th century. True hermaphrodites are orgamisms with both male and female reproductive organs and can function as both. Snails are a common example, as well as some fish. It’s never been observed in mammals, although I think the discovered a zebra with both an ovary and a testicle.

At any rate, intersex is a little hiccup in the process of the development of the male or female phenotype, which is a splendid and complex biochemical dance in the womb. That complex process sometimes goes awry.

Genetic conditions (XXY, XO, etc) have been mentioned, but there are other problems with XY and XX individuals where there will be genital ambiquity. Generally, a decision will made whether to “make” the child a boy or a girl, and that may involve a surgeon having to do some nip and tuck.

Would one describe this as “mutilation”?

One intersex condition quite relavant to those who think “chromosomes” determine sex completely, and apparently dictate a “bathroom rule” as to which bathroom an individual is supposed to use is known as “Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome” or CAIS.

Due to mutation, the cells are completely unresponsive to androgens. An XY genotype individual with this will develop in the womb with female external genitalia with a “blind” vagina. They will have no uterus, cervix, or fallopian tubes, and certainly no ovaries, and will have testes that remain in the abdomen.

To all appeareances, the child will be a girl and will develop as such. They will develop the natural female body shape. The only clue will usually come at puberty when menstruation does not occur. When the condition is discovered, the testes will usually be removed as there is a much higher chance of cancer developing in them.

These CAIS individuals will generally be tall and willowly with long legs and high cheek bones. And you know what that means. Yes, they become very beautiful women. They have very little pubic hair and no underarm hair at all. The sweat glands that cause body oder also do not develope due to no androgen response. Also, very little skin oil production. Tall, beautiful knockouts with flawless skin whose sweat doesn’t stink. There are persistant rumors that some well known models and actresses are CAIS individuals.

A few “come out”, such as Eden Atwood, a jazz singer:

http://www.edenatwood.com/

Note she’s tall and willowly, and quite beautiful.

Is she a freak? A “man who pretends to be a woman” and deserving of being beaten for entering the women’s bathroom?


196 posted on 04/25/2011 9:32:59 PM PDT by publius21
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