Certificate of Live Birth Time Stamp Revealed

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[cynwoody]

In 1961, I find it difficult to believe that a man’s “race” would have been listed as ‘AFRICAN’, which is a modern PC term. In 1961, they would have used ‘NEGRO’, ..........

BHO, Sr was not a typical American black. Nor was Hawaii a typical American state with respect to race relations in 1961. BHO, Sr was in fact a minor local celebrity because of his novelty. His graduation from UH merited its own article in the Honolulu Advertiser:

I have no trouble believing he could have been listed as African on the original long form.

[Red Steel]

I see that in the Nordyke long form BC. However, it’s a greater leap from “Negro” to being classified as “African” as a race back in 1961. They could have stuck with a more general classification using the old terms of Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid, and Australoid.

[OL Hickory]

Anyone have *%&^ of steel to try this and just ask?

http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/honolulu-hi/1911849-onaka-alvin-t-phd/

[maine-iac7]

It isn't simply that someone didn't want to put the word "Negro' on the form, so put 'African."

"African" is not a RACE. anyone born in Africa is 'African' and that includes hundreds of thousands of whites and other RACES.

This was just the same kind of dumb forgers mistake that jumps out of the page with anyone who's paying attention, the same as in the case of Rather's 'th' flub

[TigersEye]

My guess is that *any* Certificates of Live Birth issued in recent years have had the language updated to “acceptable modern usage” — from “White” and “African” to “Caucasian” and “Black” — even if the original birth certificate used other terms.

"African" would not have been used in any time or place. Numerous races live in Africa in the millions. White, Hispanic (if you call that a race), Asian, negroid, Semitic and others.

[maddog55]

BO wasn’t born he was shxt out and his birth certificate is a few sheets of one ply.

[Danae]

I have spoken to him. I am CERTAIN he would not answer anything relating to Obama’s COLB or the records which generated it.

[cynwoody]

I think the seal gibberish conclusively substantiates an actionable charge that prior to his election, Obama published one or more demonstrably forged birth documents in order to defraud the voting US citizenry.

There's no point in such a forgery, since the State of Hawaii has the true facts on file. The sort of forgery you are describing only works if there is no way to cross check the facts.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I’ve not taken a position on that one, so I won’t argue the point. Does it seem odd? Yes, but everything surrounding Obama’s life and his documentation is odd.

[cynwoody]

Go find a black person born in hawaii in 1961. Look at the birth certificate. Match it to the one Obama produced.

There is your answer. I cannot believe that Obama was the only black person born in Hawaii in 1961.

American blacks don't count. Go dig up birth certificates for children born to foreign black students in Hawaii in 1961 and see how their parents' races were listed. I suspect, even you find all of then, the sample will be much too small to allow statistical generalization.

[Red Steel]

It's crazy, but not odd to me because of what Obama, his Dem party, and the media represent. Socialism.

Lying is OK with them if it fulfills their Marxist goals.

[john mirse]

Obama knew that if he displayed his long form birth certificate---the one he already had or the one he could have ordered from Hawaii---his political career could have been destroyed once the public saw some information on the certificate that would have exposed Obama as a liar and a fraud concerning what he had previously told the public about his background.

That is exactly what I have been saying all along -- although not as eloquently as you said it.

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This is mirse. Thank you for your kind compliment.

Like many posters here, I don't know if anyone reads my messages, so I appreciate it that you took the time to read and respond to my message. Thanks again.

[Red Steel]

Highlight in yellow below, Charlize Theron the "South African":

[cynwoody]

I have spoken to him. I am CERTAIN he would not answer anything relating to Obama’s COLB or the records which generated it.

That's the Hawaii privacy law. However, Chiyome Fukino recently claimed to have examined the actual long form twice and that everything is on the up and up, that the facts match what the CoLB says, and that the doubts are silly.

So, to attack the CoLB, one must establish that Hawaii is lying and covering for Obama and has been since 2007, when a Republican was governor.

[cynwoody]

What does a hot Afrikanerette prove?

[Red Steel]

It proves as mush as your article proclaiming Obama Sr. is an African

[cantfindagoodscreenname]

Snopes does that to discourage people from linking their pictures.

That makes sense, especially since I'm a photographer. It should have clicked. Thanks!

[maine-iac7]

ONCE AND FOR ALL, EVERYONE - it isn't about someone not wanting to use ‘negro’ so used ‘African.’

It's much simpler.

READ SLOOOWWWLY.

“African” is NOT A RACE, period, just like ‘American” is not a RACE.

By the forger using “African” for race, it provides one of the delicious little faux pas moments that trips them up.

I've been posting about this one glaring error for 2 years.
Hundreds of thousands of people have been, are being born in Africa - without a drop of ‘Negro’ or “black” blood.

Once again. “AFRICAN” is not a RACE!

The forger is an ignoramus.

[Mears]

It’s not a race and it’s not a country.

But they do use the continent as race for Asians.

Weird.

[TigersEye]

My theory: Obama ordered a short form instead of a long form because he needed it to display it on the internet.

There is not evidence that he ever ordered the COLB shown on the net. The HDOH has been asked about that and they have refused to say that they ever issued one. There is no legal reason not to if they did.

I also wonder why the certificate number is blacked out? It would reveal nothing personal. It would not be subject to identity theft or any misuse that I can think of. Other than verifying the legitimacy of the document itself by checking back with HDOH records I don't know of any other use for the certificate number.