Posted on 04/20/2011 12:17:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
For the first time, Rep. Michele Bachmann – who is actively considering a run for the White House in 2012 -- has said that the birth certificate President Obama has released to the public puts an end to the "birther" issue. It came when I showed her the copy of the Certificate of Live Birth published on FactCheck.org.
It happened this morning on “GMA.” Here’s the key exchange:
Stephanopoulos: Last night you were on Fox News suggesting the president should come forward with his birth certificate as well --
Bachmann: Well, what I have said about that is, I was asked a question about that and Republicans are constantly asked to vouch for the authenticity of the birth certificate. The only one who can is the clerk of court in the county where someone is born and that’s where people should go. Don’t ask Republicans, go ask the clerk of court.
(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.abcnews.com ...
Guess it didn’t happen.
We are living in "1984" and we have always been at war with Oceana. Nowadays, if the media (completely staffed by Liberals from the News Anchors to the Janitors.) don't want people to know ugly truths, they will hide them. What's more, they will make them up against their political enemies.
>>Even if true.. The law of Hawaii does not Supersede the U.S. Constitution.
But the US Constitution doesn’t say you need to see a long form birth certificate. All it says is you have to be a natural born citizen. Many presidents were born before birth certificates were common. You just need clear evidence. And that COLB is VERY clear evidence that he was born in Honolulu.
There is a huge question if he is NBC because of his dad not being a citizen, but there really shouldn’t be any question he was born in Honolulu.
>>The law in Hawaii also says that birth certificates can be ALTERED, and therefore are NOT irrefutable evidence.
It’s not irrefutable evidence, it’s prima facie evidence. Which means it’s assumed to be true unless clear evidence to the contrary is found.
Something like a flight record that places his mom outside of the country or something like that would overturn the COLB. But until you have that evidence, it’s assumed to be legit.
And you can alter the name on a BC, you can’t alter the place, date and time of birth. Which is the real issue.
My understanding is that she "was too young for her to confer citizenship on him" is correct ONLY if he is born outside of the United States. If born IN the United States, he would still get 14th Amendment based Citizenship.
The question presumes that Wong Kim Ark would be the deciding point of law. If it gets to the Supreme Court, I have little doubt that that pesky original birth certificate would not be able to hide any longer. If it's an affidavit of "at home" birth, they would have to weigh whether or not it is likely to be true or just an attempt to game the system.
If he has a TRUE birth certificate with a witness signature, then I have no doubt that Wong Kim Ark will rule the day. If however, it is an "At home" birth affidavit, he's toast even if he wins a Decision in the Court.
Besides, I don't think the court CAN remove a President. They can simply find him illegitimate, and suggest to the Congress that he be removed. Who knows how it will play out? But shouldn't the American people be permitted to know what is the truth?
That was sort of what I was expecting, but thanks for verifying it.
It's clear evidence that Hawaii had some sort of record of him being born at or around august 4, 1961. We have no proof of where. My money is on Hawaii receiving an "At home birth" affidavit from Grandma Dunham. I think Stanley Ann was still in Seattle, where we KNOW she was two weeks later.
One story is that SAD actually gave birth in Canada.
You mean you have to have proof that it's fake before you can prove that it's fake. Right. Got it.
Something like a flight record that places his mom outside of the country or something like that would overturn the COLB. But until you have that evidence, it’s assumed to be legit.
This logic is typical of the legal system. REAL logic is not required or desired. Birth Certificates are faked all the time, but our legal "custom" requires that these known to be faked documents must be regarded as true unless we can prove in some OTHER way that they are fake. Too much trouble to ask the judge to just look at the original and SEE if it's legit.
And you can alter the name on a BC, you can’t alter the place, date and time of birth. Which is the real issue.
And you know this HOW? Of another state I might believe this, but Hawaii has peculiar birth certificate circumstances and laws. As so many people originally came to the Island by ship, ship births were registered at the first port, usually Honolulu. This evolved into a set of pretty loose requirements regarding "place" of birth.
Apart from that, someone pointed out recently that Hawaii is changing the GENDER for Transvestites. It seems to me, if they will LIE about what sex you are, lying about where you are born is a little thing.
I have no doubt whatsoever that if a Judge ordered that "Hawaii" be placed in the "place of birth" line on the BC, the bureaucrats would simply do as ordered. An adopted child might wonder if he saw something different from "Hawaii" on the "place of birth" line.
That is my theory of highest probability at the moment. I believe Stanley was impregnated by Frank Davis, and she either Left for Seattle on her own,(with Davis' help) or was sent there by her Parents. She had to have money to get there, (and live there) and it had to come from somewhere.
I think she was there BEFORE Barack was born, and that she went to the Free Hospital in Vancouver to have him.
I think the faux marriage to Barack Sr. was just a ploy to keep Stanley Dunham from finding out that his best friend was boinking his daughter since she was 14.
When Stanly had Barry, She called momma to let her know, Mama immediately realized her daughter had screwed up his future by depriving him of American Citizenship, so she immediately rectified the problem with an "At Home birth" filing. Might be all crap, but it SEEMS to fit the circumstances as I am currently aware of them.
Be that as it may Satan is not to be blamed for all ignorance or even all evil. Men are quite capable of being ignorant and evil without the intervention or wiles of Satan.
What was set in motion in the Garden is self-replicating.
In that document there was also a confusing intermingling of the terms “citizen”, “natural born citizen” and “native born citizen.” As though these were three distinct designations.
There is no power within the Constitution allowing the Supreme Court to remove a sitting president. Only Congress could do that. Any legal case is pertinent only to the extent that it might affect an impeachment proceeding.
It is, however, conceivable that any documentation prior to taking office could be reviewed by the Court and accepted as valid or fraudulent. Certainly any fraud could be both prosecuted and wind up before the Supreme Court for resolution.
Don’t these forms have different numbers though? Like Form 1234 and Form 1234 for example?
No it does not, but no other form proves it.
COLB is a joke and anyone can get it. Why else would Obama spend over 2 million dollars fighting the release of his birth certificate? Moreover, why would he hide all of his school records?
Bottom line is this... Anyone with half an objective KNOWS Obama is hiding something. The fact that Obama has failed to provide the documentation by now is proof that he is NOT a U.S. citizen. If he was, then all Obama had to do was release the long term Birth Certificate, and it would be over. Which he will not, and that means he’s guilty.
You are correct about his father not being a citizen too, but I think that does not matter at this point. If it did, then something would have happened since Obama has already admitted this. Think it might have something to do with once the law is changed it no longer matters. Not 100% sure but that is why no one says anything about this.
Let’s stick with facts...
A Certificate of Live Birth is not a Birth Certificate
A Newspaper ad is not a Birth Certificate
Sorry but Obama has yet to reveal where he was born. Think it’s funny how many different stories we get where he was born. That is usually a pretty good indication that we are not being told the truth.
Honestly, who do you know gets their birth place all mixed up? Most people know it, and it’s pretty much a non issue.
Was there ever any real relationship between Barack Sr and Barack Jr.? Did the former even know the latter had been born?
To Which document are you referring? The U.S. Constitution?
It doesn't come with an Appendix, but the meaning of terms can be discerned by contemporary documents and a study of the History leading up to it's creation and ratification.
The information which I have heard so far says "no." I don't think Barack Sr. and Barack Jr. are even slightly related. I also think "jr." knows it.
How many wealthy powerful men have no compunction about letting their half brother live in poverty in Kenya, or their Aunt collect Welfare in Boston?
No pangs of conscious if they are not related to you.
If they do, I do not know what the numbers are. butterdezillion might know.
Butter, he is looking for the form numbers which would designate a Medically generated long form (Dr. signed) and a COLB form. I don’t know if they are numbered or how they are designated. I am not sure where to look either.
OK, that would be an easy way to distinguish them.
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