Posted on 04/19/2011 7:42:19 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
Frontline’s next exposé focuses on the “decades of abuse of Native Americans by priests and other church workers in Alaska,” and in one particular town they find, “nearly 80% of the town’s children were molested” by Catholic priests.
As we reported on this story just a few weeks ago, the Roman Catholic Church, as part of ongoing lawsuits, will make payments to approximately 700 male and female sexual and psychological abuse, molestation, and rape victims who were living in Alaska Native villages and Indian reservations from Montana to Washington, Idaho and Oregon, and who were “sexually or psychologically abused as children by Jesuit missionaries in those states in the 1940s through the 1990s,” according to a statement by attorneys.
The latest agreement will financially compensate 524 victims with $166.1 million in cases including accusations against 140 Jesuit priests, brothers, and nuns from the Oregon Province of the Society of Jesus, in the Pacific Northwest. Only $48 million will come from the Catholic Church, the remainder will be paid by its insurance companies.
None of the Jesuit priests are being charged with any crime related to this abuse, rape, and molestation settlement.
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Unfortunetly, as Malachi Martin wrote and spoke about...the homosexuals infiltrated the catholic church.
Too late! Jesus already found me. He will you as well, just ask.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
VERY WELL AND ACCURATELY PUT, imho.
My own education about the RCC on FR has similarly been horribly dismaying. I had greatly more respect for the system and the leadership BEFORE I came to FR.
They have DEMONSTRATED the horrors on FR 24/7/365 . . . it’s not as much the hideous sayings, dogma, documents—as awful and hellish as those are—it’s the
BEHAVIORS of those claiming to be RC’s on FR which echo so loudly and clearly the horrors of the written documents—THAT’S what’s burned a blazing brand of fierce and dreadful truth into my heart, mind and spirit about the RCC.
IF they find my stance about the Vatican cult/RCC to be alarmingly negative—they have only THEMSELVES to thank.
Read your Bible.
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil." -- Hebrews 5:13-14
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." -- 2 Timothy 4:2-4 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Christians are not to judge another man's heart, but Christians are most certainly called to judge right from wrong, to judge correct doctrine from superstition and error, to judge light from dark.
I think you wrote a very accurate assessment and analogy.
ABSOLUTELY INDEED.
I don’t know that one is greatly worse than the other.
Both have horrible spiritual, physical, relational dimensions and consequences.
INDEED.
WELL PUT.
I agree.
Well put.
I have read of various attachment disorders Quix. All which seem to stem from childhood. But why is it some can and do overcome while others never will. The scars might remain but still the memories appear to eat them away over the years with only short periods of time where they expereince any freedom from these and the affects of their childhood.
I’m not fully convinced all problems are rooted in childhood though...we’ve all heard stories of some whose parents were just fine but still the child ends up a mess.
I just think it is difficult ,at best, to determine when someone is actually having mental health issues and that of just the natural afffects of growing up in an imperfect world. For sime they have developed coping techniqes which IMO become such a natural habit for them it can no longer be seen apart from them, rather integrated within the indivual as if they had this all along.
The lines between insanity and or mental health issues, it seems fewer than ever any escape from entirely. It’s as if the world has become “disfuntional” anymore.
I have fond memories of doing it with my mother holding her hand as a child going to each step. She always would have great reverence for the whole passion of Christ. What it meant in history. It would be so spiritual. We couldn't talk between 1200 and 300 pm on good friday every year. It left a great total awe of our savior on me. When I saw the Passion film I couldn't go thru it after the whipping I left the theatre. Just to think what our Lord did for us. Tears in my eyes. What a wonderful Savior beyond human words to describe.
My mother passed in 1999. She would of got a kick out of your metaphors. She would write all the time about her life and life in general on writing tablets. She admired clever writing. She told me what I would do in the future. She was Charismatic. A good decent christian. Amen!
Looks like someone is doing a poor job of policing their clergy and you could care less.
Well i asked many questions about their beliefs etc. Then i discovered the Vatican site which pretty much you can find what Rome instills in their literature and their teachings....but you have to dig thru the rubble pretty far to find the nuts and bolts of what they believe for it’s highly cloaked in so much unnessary verbage. That was so frustrating and time consuming....and I often think that is with the intention it be so, and the average member or seeker just accepts because it takes a lot of time and digging to understand their religion. Too much of it misses the mark....and or clouds the truth that sometimes is there.
I don’t think you and I or others are rare in discovering these things...and most do give the catholic faith the benfit of the doubt. But they remind me of those who had a zeal for God only but lacked the truth of what He revealed.
It is difficult not to be angry..and often I think justified when such misapplied and mistated truths are so hacked up and misdirected way beyond the simplicity Christ would offer the seeker or the true believer...again the mark is missed altogether so often for that.
I do understand one is actually worse Quix....a wife or husband may still draw on God in the face of pysical infidelity.....but in Spiritual Adultry ones perception of God takes a terrible nosedive and the fellowship broken for a time is not unusual....some even walk away from their faith as well as their partner...which makes them fulnerable to the wiles of the enemy of mens souls.
Yes, as lawlessness has advanced, the world has become increasingly dysfunctional.
Yes, as the effects of ATTACHMENT DISORDER stuff root deeper and deeper into the individual from their dysfunctional coping with the tortured feelings and dynamics within . . . they become more and more a part of the person.
No. Sorry. I’ve heard the excuse and rationalization all my growing up and throughout my PhD program from my professors as well as almost every pastor I’ve ever sat under . . . just as you related:
“Ahhhh but they were wonderful parents . . . the child just twisted off on their own.”
I’VE NEVER EVER OBSERVED IT TO BE TRUE. NOT A SINGLE TIME IN 64 YEARS.
In EVERY case where it was insisted such WAS the case—it took me usually 3-5 questions or certainly no more than 3-5 minutes to find out where the rot was between WONDERFUL PARENTS and child.
Many Christians—particularly some fathers—have been very energetic to practice the Biblical injunction about “sparing the rod, spoiling the child” in terms of beating the daylights out of the child for often questionable reasons and to extreme degrees.
Yet they have totally ignored: PROVOKE NOT YOUR CHILDREN TO WRATH.
And, typically, even normally—particularly as viewed from the outside—”NICE”—parents VERY OFTEN DO NOT HAVE SUFFICIENTLY BONDED RELATIONSHIP with their children to support THE DEGREE OF HARSH, ANGRY, REFLEXIVE, OFTEN UNKNOWLEDGEABLE AND INSENSITIVE DISCIPLINE delivered to the children.
Yet, in public and by all accounts of their fellow church goers—they appear to be model Christians and parents—but they aren’t.
IN *EVERY CASE* WHERE I’VE OBSERVED PARENTS BEING BIBLICAL PARENTS IN BALANCE AND SINCERITY—HEALTHY CLOSE EMOTIONAL BONDING AT AN EARLY AGE CARRIED INTO ADULTHOOD—I’VE NOT ONLY OBSERVED ABSOLUTELY NOT A SINGLE SUCH CHILD BECOMING DYSFUNCTIONAL—NONE OF THEM EVEN WENT THROUGH PURPORTEDLY NECESSARY “TEEN REBELLION.” DIDN’T HAPPEN. Sure, the teens INDIVIDUATED and became their own persons and identities—but not in rebellion. And the parents celebrated and supported their individuation process and choices.
No, the parents were not PERFECT in some idealized 100% perfect day in and day out fashion. But they had sufficient majors down well enough that their flaws did not matter in any lasting negative way.
SCRIPTURE DOES NOT LIE.
WHEN
PARENTS TRAIN UP EACH CHILD IN THE WAY THAT EACH CHILD SHOULD GO WITH THAT CHILD’S PERSONALITY, GODLY LEADING ETC.
THEN
THAT CHILD WILL
NOT
DEPART FROM THAT WAY AS AN ADULT.
I’VE ***NEVER*** SEEN THAT SCRIPTURE FAIL WHATSOEVER.
Not in 64 years.
Sounds like your mother and I would have enjoyed one another greatly. I look forward to meeting her in Heaven.
Thanks for sharing that.
LUB BRO.
Sorry for your slaps from your cohorts on my account.
That's pretty funny coming from a Catholic, which religion puts everyone who's not a Catholic in hell.
After all, the CCC teaches that there's no salvation outside the Catholic church.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337
Catholicism consigns those without the RC church to hell. You're in no position to criticize others for that alleged teaching.
If non- Catholics are not Christians because they've judged someone to not be saved and destined for hell, then Catholics are not Christians either for doing the very same thing about non-Catholics.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
I THOROUGHLY AGREE.
WELL PUT.
THX.
True. True.
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