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Supreme Court indicates it will dismiss major climate-change case
The Hill ^ | April 19, 2011 | by Andrew Restuccia

Posted on 04/19/2011 12:31:08 PM PDT by library user

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To: Longbow1969
Reflexively anti? I think the Ginsberg quote threw quite a few off.

While I disagree that the EPA has any Constitutional mandate - if Congressional law sets them up as an arbiter of interstate commerce between states such that regulation is in place that obviates the need for a State to sue a private concern producing energy in a different state.

It does buy into the EPA having a legitimate function - but that is the domain of Congress and they seem quite willing to legislate oversight/control of their powers to the Executive branches.

It also seems to buy into the idea that there is a legitimate “harm” that can be shown from release of greenhouse gas when it hasn't been shown that temperatures are actually increasing (hide the decline) OR that increasing temperatures harmed anyone (Medieval warm period).

But yes: although the journalistic slant was pro EPA and Ginsburg - the decision arrived at stopped liberal idiot litigation aimed at taxing/fining energy production in different states.

This is an interstate commerce concern in my mind: an ACTUAL one - not a hypothetical - it could be - a crop grown and consumed in one state has a tangential effect on the price of the crop that IS involved in interstate commerce - and thus is subject to federal legislation, etc.

81 posted on 04/19/2011 4:58:12 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: allmendream

Keeping in mind that this article consists of speculaton as to outcome, based on questions, comments, and, one presumes, facial expressions of some of the SC Justices during oral arguments, there is a real existential danger here —

Depending on how the order of dismissal is worded, it is possible that the precedent, or even principle, may be set that all courts (representing Due Process and The Rule of Law) must defer to the EPA (unelected, unaccountable, arbitrary, Bureaucracy) in all matters environmental - no matter how vaguely related....


82 posted on 04/19/2011 5:09:50 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: library user
Economy In Jeopardy As Budget Deal Affirms EPA Climate Programs

Our country is being taken away from us by bureaucrats who answer to no one because the three branches of government actually mentioned in the constitution either share the agenda of those bureaucrats or are too weak to do their jobs.
83 posted on 04/19/2011 5:16:47 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: pabianice

Won’t happen as you say unless GOP candidates keep attacking Obama until voters can’t wait to oust him. Won’t happen if we buy into the “civility” and “bipartisanship” mantras which are really nothing more than a enforced political correctness at the expense of facts. When we give people like Obama the sort of respect —indeed deference— that they don’t deserve, they survive and flourish no matter what they do to the country. When they are instead confronted at every opportunity, they start to self-destruct. No rest for the weary.


84 posted on 04/19/2011 5:23:57 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Parley Baer

Longer. The next president will need congress’s help in order to bring the EPA under control. Don’t count on that happening, no matter what party is in the majority.


85 posted on 04/19/2011 5:25:45 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: politicianslie

You gotta fire a ‘warning shot’. But my aim ain’t as good as it used to be.....;^).....


86 posted on 04/19/2011 5:30:53 PM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: politicianslie

You gotta fire a ‘warning shot’. But my aim ain’t as good as it used to be.....;^).....


87 posted on 04/19/2011 5:31:03 PM PDT by Red Badger (Mitt Romney: The Harold Stassen of the 21st century........)
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To: yup2394871293
Our country is being taken away from us by bureaucrats who answer to no one

Not really true.

Those bureaucrats were sent there by Congress, their powers were delegated by Congress, they are carrying out laws passed by Congress, and Congress could pull the plug tomorrow, or any day after tomorrow.

88 posted on 04/19/2011 5:37:23 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: pabianice; Digger
We have slow-moving revolutions

The real revolution will not occur until the current form of government falls and is buried under the debris of the US Dollar. That is nearly inevitable, given that people in power are willingly ignoring this problem and making it worse instead. The new currency of the United States will be denominated in inches.

89 posted on 04/19/2011 5:45:32 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: Jim Noble
and Congress could pull the plug tomorrow, or any day after tomorrow.

...but they won't, and you know that just as well as I do. And no, the EPA policies in question came from the EPA under Obama, not congress. And that's because congress wouldn't enact them. The EPA merely did a liberal reading of the last clean air act, despite the fact that at least one of the bill's authors (a Democrat) said the act was not intended to allow them to regulate "greenhouse gases".
90 posted on 04/19/2011 5:45:51 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: yup2394871293; Ernest_at_the_Beach
The next president will need congress’s help in order to bring the EPA under control. Don’t count on that happening, no matter what party is in the majority.

The POTUS can control the EPA by firing and hiring, but don't count on GOP candidates, even if elected, to change the "greenhouse gas" nonsense, unless we hold their feet to the fire.

91 posted on 04/19/2011 5:49:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Budget sins can be fixed. Amnesty is irreversible.)
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To: dead

We have seen the enemy, and he is us.


92 posted on 04/19/2011 5:49:40 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Tagline closed for repairs. Please use the next available tagline. We appreciate your patience.)
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To: OA5599

Spot on.


93 posted on 04/19/2011 5:53:35 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Tagline closed for repairs. Please use the next available tagline. We appreciate your patience.)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The president doesn’t have final authority over the EPA. If he tried to exercise that kind of authority, expect talk of “impeachment” next. The same laws that prevent “spoils system” politics protect career bureaucrats.


94 posted on 04/19/2011 5:55:59 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: OA5599
What the bureaucrats propose is not as easy as checking the air pressure in your tires every week, bringing a tote bag to the grocery store, drinking tap water instead of bottled, or changing your company logo color to green on Earth Day.

Such "suggestions" are not really meant to help the environment. They are just ways of conditioning people to give up their rights, it isn't very different from taking away your "privilege" to fly on a jet because you won't submit to a pat down.
95 posted on 04/19/2011 6:01:39 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: library user
Patrick Michaels: Draconian Energy Regulation Will Never Die (Forbes op ed)
96 posted on 04/19/2011 6:21:39 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: Windflier
I totally agree.

the issue was not even a matter of Executive branch powers,

It was a civil matter wherin the party bringing suit should have been called by the court to bring proof that CO2 causes harm

instead of the Supreme Court serving justice, it was handed directly to the long arm of the EPA's executive branch for tyrannical unjust enforcement

97 posted on 04/19/2011 6:32:12 PM PDT by KTM rider ( patriot turned rebel)
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To: lewislynn

Exactly. I we say we do not want judges legislating from the bench then this is what we get.

BTW - Our founders set up the judiciary to be independent but they wanted one that was deferential to the two other branches. Things are working out as Madison planned.

Ultimately it is up to us. Thank goodness.


98 posted on 04/19/2011 6:39:15 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: Tulane

Amen, brother.


99 posted on 04/19/2011 6:47:43 PM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; Windflier
'One of these days we'll have to go about checks-and-balances the old fashioned way.'

Kind of what I was thinking, too...
100 posted on 04/19/2011 6:53:50 PM PDT by Seadog Bytes (OPM: The Liberal solution to every societal problem... Other People's Money.)
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