No ‘social issues’ - Pro-life tracts banned at Sacramento Tea Party event

California Catholic ^ | April 18, 2011

[GonzoII]

Bud Reeves, president of the Sanctity of Human Life Network Inc., reports that he was intercepted at a Tea Party rally in Sacramento on Saturday and ordered to stop distributing pro-life pamphlets to attendees.

The event was sponsored by NorCal Tea Party Patriots and held at the Cal Expo in Sacramento. Scheduled speakers, among others, included U.S. Rep. Tom McClintock, Brent Bozell of the Media Research Center and a contributor to Fox News, radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, and Brad Dacus of the Pacific Justice Institute.

“Today I attended the Sacramento area gathering of the Tea Party to hand out prolife tracts,” said Reeves in an April 16 email. “Given that the Tea Party purports to be an organization promoting the U.S. Constitution and all that it stands for, I thought my handing out of a small prolife tract promoting the most important civil right, the right to life, would be welcome. I was wrong. Not long after we started passing out the 7 thousand tracts we had printed for the event, we were told that we must stop the distribution, which was welcomed by most of the attendees we approached and who received the tract.”

Reeves said he asked why and was told, “Because we will not be involved in the ‘social issues.’ I asked to talk to a supervisor. I was escorted up to the stage area and when a supervisor did not appear, I returned to the crowd to continue handing out the tracts. Not long after I heard my name on the P.A. system, asking me to respond. I did so and was met by Mr. Rapini, the organizer of the Tea Party event.

[misterrob]

They why is irrelevant since it changes nothing of what is going on now.

I have paid top $$$ into these socialistic programs and I know that there isn’t a chance in hell that I will see the money. It was also a ponzi scheme since if they had really thought about it then there should have been money taken out for years in order to fund it. They didn’t. Furthermore, members of both parties, conservatives and liberals alike have used the excess cash to fund the steady growth in government. But again, that’s all water under a bridge. The only way forward that does not obligate me or my kids and their kids to pay for someone else is to abolish it now.

[trisham]

He wants the money that we paid into the system to do with what he will. That's my money, and I want it back! If one uses the government to rob one's fellow citizens, what then is the difference between the individual and the government?

It's a crime.

[trisham]

Your investment may be “water under the bridge” but you don’t speak for mine.

[wagglebee]

So, your "solution" is for the government to just tell people that they are being forfeited money? Do you really want to give government that kind of power?

The only solution I see with things like Social Security and Medicare is a gradual phase out. This can be sold to people under the age of fifty or so if they are given some of their contributions back in the form of tax credits (to those of us who actually pay taxes).

[Jim Robinson]

Social security is an unconstitutional Ponzi scheme. It’s going to go one way or the other. Either we shut it down voluntarily, or it gets privatized, or the so-called benefits get drastically reduced, or it goes bankrupt. But it will go.

I’d gladly give up any future benefits and all I paid in if the federal government would simply get rid of all of its unconstitutional programs and reduce itself to the few enumerated powers the founders originally delegated to it in the constitution:

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

[unique]

It means different things to different people, often based on current events and where they are in life, for example if you are unemployed with a family the tenets of conservationism may be viewed very differently versus someone that is flush with life in all respects. Best is being in a place in life that allows you to not have to select from the different tenets.

What’s your definition and is there no allowance for what life has dealt you or the nation, even temporarily wherein priorities must be considered?

[trisham]

Agreed.

[trisham]

That's a laughable response. One is either a conservative or one is not, and it is clear that you haven't a clue what a conservative is.

Would you like to try again?

[unique]

Reaganism most of the time, but I sure did not support his decision to give citizenship to millions and not build a fence - so Trumpism occasionally since he probably would build a fence and not grant citizenship to millions.

Reagan was excellent but not a perfect conservative. If we can come even close to him in 2012, that would be a sight to see. But, that also means settling for someone that’s a little less than a 100% conservative, right?

[unique]

No, being that you seem to have all the answers anyway.

[trisham]

I’m surprised. After all, you claim to be a conservative.

[dforest]

While I agree with you on social issues, the Tea Party was not a conservative movement in the social sense. It was that way because it was about attracting people from the whole spectrum into the Taxed Enough Already movement.

Since there are different groups from all over the country it figures that they were not on board the same agenda other than the fiscal one.

I knew months ago when a Tea Party group voted for Romney that there was a problem as to what a national platform was all about.

We conservatives figure it is all one. It isn’t.

That is reflected right now in who we pick for the GOP Presidential nominee. The polls give no person a commanding lead. That is why Trump has risen with so many.

[misterrob]

It doesn’t matter!!!!!!!!!!!

No money means no payments. We have conned ourselves into thinking we could wildly overspend on top of a ponzi scheme. And yes, that is my solution. Tell the truth. SS and Medicare are going away. No more money will be taken from working people’s pay checks to make good on government promises made to others.

[trisham]

You might want to read this post:

To: wtc911
We’re not going to lose, ah. We’re going to fight the godless evil bastards and we’re going to take them down. Guess I’m going to have to repeat this ad infinitum before it sinks in to the hard-headed.

I’ve attended hundreds of tea party rallies and protests in nearly every state of the union including a half-dozen in Sacramento. Traditional pro-life and family values are always well received at every tea party event I’ve ever attended. Don’t believe the weak-kneed RINO sisters or totalitarian control freaks who claim otherwise. They’ve either never attended a tea party or they’re outright lying.

Who the hell do you think attends these rallies? Godless liberals? RINOS? Hell no. The attendees are mostly pro-life, pro-family, pro-marriage, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, patriotic pro-America traditional conservative Christians and they’re fed up and mad as hell! They don’t call us the Christian right for nothing!!

I’m pro-God, pro-Life, pro-family, pro-Liberty and pro-America. So is FR. So is the Tea Party or I wouldn’t be part of it!

Don’t piss down my leg and tell me it’s raining.

And DON’T TREAD ON ME!!

I’m bitterly clinging to my God and guns!!

Rebellion is brewing!!

Those who refuse to fight the good fight are worthless to our cause and should just move on to some RINO Republican site. FR is for God-fearing Life and Liberty conservatives!!

168 posted on April 18, 2011 4:06:52 PM EDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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[newzjunkey]

The Tea Party is making a huge mistake if they try to purge social issues from their agenda.

Why do some people insist upon hijacking a focused, fiscal movement for their own personal agendas?

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven" Ecclesiastes 3:1

[Reagan Man]

True, Reagan wasn't perfect. Just the best conservative potus of the last 100+ years. At least since Calvin Coolidge. Btw, taking pot shots at Reagan is not a good move around this forum.

FYI, there were three major components to the IRCA of 1986... "employer sanctions, other measures to increase enforcement of the immigration laws, and legalization". Reagan limited the "legalization" provision to 300K. It was Ted Kennedy and the Dems who defunded the enoforcement aspects of the IRCA of 1986 and liberalizing the amnesty provision. Can't blame Reagan for that.

>>>>>so Trumpism occasionally since he probably would build a fence and not grant citizenship to millions.

If you really believe that, there's a bridge for sell you in my old hometown. Trump told O'Reilly last week he would support a broadbased amnesty, contingent on Trump's personal caveats. Trump's a liberal, buddy.

Care to elaborate on Trump?

[misterrob]

Investment????? SS is an investment? What a steaming pile of BS.

The 1960 Supreme Court decision in Flemming v. Nestor, herein the Court held that an individual does not have an accrued property right” in his or her Social Security benefits. The Court has also made clear in subsequent court decisions that the payment of Social Security taxes conveys no contractual rights to Social Security benefits.

Source: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/45221.pdf

[trisham]

Stop trying to take my money.

[dforest]

I know that. Did you read my post? I agree that the social issues are very important. I have never posted anything any different on this site.

I went to an Indy Tea Party a while back and was rebuffed for bringing up any social issues because I was told they were divisive and would separate out those that were of a different mind on social issues.

It was then I knew that this Tea Party was about Tax and big government issues only. At least it was here.

In spite of what I want it to be about, all of them are not the same. I wish they were, but they aren’t. It is not my fault for saying what my experience was, Trisham. I have been here long enough and have never been a caver on social issues. I dare anyone to say otherwise.

[Reagan Man]

Modern conservatism has its roots in the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Both of those founding documents support fiscal and social issues. At its core, limited government, life and liberty.

Btw, as stated on this thread numerous times, the modern Tea Party movement does not limit its support, but rather embraces both fiscal and social issues in that regard --- the Tea Party is pro-life.