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Donald Trump’s Incredibly Valuable Role For Conservatives in 2012 (It's not what you think)
MB26

Posted on 04/17/2011 12:14:19 PM PDT by MindBender26

Political blogs across the internet are filled with the latest Doings of The Donald: “Is Trump Really Running For President?” Depending where you look, he is/might/isn’t. Depending on the political leanings of the writer, Trump is anywhere from the AntiChrist to the Second coming of the Christchild.

The actual answer is irrelevant…. but it and Trump’s role are incredibly valuable and important to Conservatives.

In the real world of politics, of course Trump isn’t running. He would never seriously run. For ten thousand reasons, let along the scrutiny it would bring, the need to divest himself of his holdings, the need for him to spend four years negotiating and mediating, where his style, and talent, is telling people what to do and having them do it immediately. Unfortunately for him, that management style doesn’t work with Congress, the Prime Ministers of foreign countries…. or most American citizens for that matter.

If we were electing a benevolent dictator, Trump might really be interested in the job, but Trump realizes that the presidency is not a job for him and he would hate it.

Is he posturing now? Of course. Is it getting himself publicity? The answer to that is, is there anything Trump loves more than publicity? So what is Trump really doing…. for us Conservatives?

Trump is doing an incredibly important job of being our James Carville. Remember what Carville’s REAL job was, other than to do the girls that Clinton found just too ugly to spend horizontal time with.

Carville was the Official Far-Left Bomb Thrower. By saying the things he did, such as “Ken Starr should be kneecapped,” he made all the left and even far-left Dems look like moderate men of reason. Carville would say something wild and crazy, it would get mounds of media attention, then Clinton, Barney Frank or some other Dem would say, “Well, that just the Crazy Cajun… ha ha ha … but you know… in his own crazy way…. James does raise the issue of…….

Carville would raise the issue that mainline Dems were reluctant to raise, then they could hitch their wagon to the now-public discussion Carville’s verbal bomb throwing had created.

Trump is dong the same thing for us. Some serious candidates would love to have a “polite” public discussion about some of the issues Trump is raising, but don’t want to be the one tagged with raising it! Trump solves that problem for us. Can’t you just see one of the Republican presidential primary debates…

Questioner: “Mr. Romney/Gingrich/Barbour/Pawlenty/Etc….. Donald Trump has accused President Obama of not being constitutionally qualified to be president because he is not a US citizen. Do you agree with that?”

Answer: “Well, I think that’s probably just Mr. Trump blowing off some steam… and getting himself a few headlines in the process…. which he loves to do. But you know, he does raise an interesting question. Before anything, the President, whoever he or she is, has to have the faith of the American people. Regardless of who Republicans choose, I think Americans know all of us Republicans up here tonight in this debate deserve that faith. Americans know who we all are…. and what we stand for.”

“As far as President Obama is concerned, if this was just a private matter, I would take him at his word that he really is a citizen.”

“But this is not a private matter. This is the most serious of public matters, affecting every citizen. Mr. Obama has spent all his time and money… and it has been millions of dollars…. paying his lawyers to claim that he shouldn’t have to prove what every other candidate is ready…. and able to do.”

“There are questions.… how serious they are is a matter of debate… but there are questions…. such as the original birth certificate which he refuses to provide… the trips in the 90’s to terrorist-supporting countries using some foreign passport… possibly using a phony social security number.”

“The person who can put this all behind us… is not one of us up here tonight…. it is the President. Make a 2 minute phone call, tell the Hawaii authorities to release to original certificate…. Explain the Muslim country passport…. answer the rest of the questions once and for all instead of dodging them…. and the issue is over…. But if he doesn’t… people are going to continue to worry about the questions Mr. Trump raised.”

"Ending this worry is not up to us. It's up to Mr. Obama... and sometimes... I think all of us wonder... why he refuses to.... or can't.... do so."

That way, the real candidate doesn’t raise the issue… he simply reflects on Trumps questions… and the real candidate comes out a huge winner! Remember, the real winner of every debate is the man or woman who gives the answer everyone talks about the next morning at breakfast…. and that would be the huge answer on everyone's mind.

For that and so much more; thank you Donald!


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: certifigate; silkypony2; trump
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To: MindBender26

Never say never. This America today is, after all, the United States of American Idol. The land of Oprah, Dr. Oz, and Charlie Rangel. A decidedly unserious nation.

;-)

(This has been decidedly unserious reply.)


21 posted on 04/17/2011 12:51:10 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: MindBender26
Trump has brought up other questionable issues with O's background. Including Rezko, Ayers ghost writing and Rev. Wright. He said in an interview, that without Dreams of my father Obama would not of had a chance

I think his business instincts sense a con.

22 posted on 04/17/2011 12:56:19 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: izzatzo

Bingo!


23 posted on 04/17/2011 12:58:37 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: savedbygrace
BTW guys like Trump do this site a service by drawing out the groupies.

Helps in quickly deciding who to take seriously

and who not to.

24 posted on 04/17/2011 12:58:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: MindBender26

I think Donald is serious about being elected, but I agree that right now that doesn’t matter.

Just take the damn fight to Obama. As Rush has pointed out, they aren’t nearly as tough as they portray themselves, and Donald can pull their masks off and stomp on them.


25 posted on 04/17/2011 12:59:31 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Trump is easily smart enough to be president as is Sarah Palin, but like Sarah now, he is way too smart to seriously run for president.


26 posted on 04/17/2011 1:02:28 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: MindBender26

to the extent he can be the lightning rod during the primaries, more power to him ... as the nominee? not so much.


27 posted on 04/17/2011 1:06:29 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (President Obama's approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the US)
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To: chuckee
Donald covers all the National Enquirer type issues about Obama’s past that inquiring minds want to know and a legitimate candidate cannot ask for fear of being branded a nut by the liberal MSM.

Proves that the vast majority of Rs are capons and gutless cowards. The MSM already hates them, that's not why they shut up. Maybe part of the reason, but if they fear the MSM so much that they're gutless cowards, they're worthless trash.

28 posted on 04/17/2011 1:06:43 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: MindBender26

I think Donald is serious when he says he loves Ameica and wants it to be great again.

I think he’ll make real, and personal, scrifices to make that happen. Even though I think he will, it doesn’t neccesarily mean he’ll run.


29 posted on 04/17/2011 1:08:43 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: NonValueAdded

Persactly!


30 posted on 04/17/2011 1:17:22 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: opentalk

Exactly. Hundreds of scammers have probably tried to scam him in his career.... and I’m sure he has done a whole bunch of “marginal” deals himself.

Trump can smell the con..... and is not afraid to say it.

He’s Henry Gondorf with a big heart and a strong patriotic streak. :)


31 posted on 04/17/2011 1:21:06 PM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in America.)
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To: Southack
Chump’s job is to throw incendiary verbal bombs...in order to rally the Left to support 0bama.

Occam's razor disagrees.

Trump's an arrogant rich guy who has delusions of grandeur. He's not doing a 'job' for Obama, Soros, Hillary or the Easter Bunny. He wants to sit in the big chair, and he has the means and opportunity to do it. We can project our hopes and fears on to him all day long, but there's no need to puzzle over this one. It's clear as can be.

He's a fame-hungry opportunist, and opportunity is knocking. Ain't no more complicated than that.

32 posted on 04/17/2011 1:22:17 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: MindBender26; All
Looking at some of the articles that have been posted here in the last few days, it seems the Donald has a remarkably large group of devoted Dems as advisers. Further, his resources are mostly concentrated in NYC. Both of those factors make me believe he's up to something more than just hinting he'll run on the pubbie ticket. Indeed, methinks that he wouldn't be doing what he is without a lot of Democrat support.

Now, where could that support be coming from? It doesn't look like it's the Illegal, since Trump's really pounding him and pressuring the pubbies to do the same. If what he's doing really angers the other Dems in NYC, they don't seem to be saying too much and definitely don't seem to be trying to retaliate against him economically, something they could readily do through building permits, environmental permits, etc.

That leads me to believe there are a lot of Dems, particularly the Clintons, who are out to get the Illegal and are using the Donald as their willing front man. He's perfect because he speaks with a loud voice and, by running as a pubbie, diverts all attention from the Clintons. That's essential for the Witch, who can't have her fingerprints on a takedown of the Illegal lest she lose black support. I also suspect the Trump run is being allowed because many Dems are horrified about the 2010 election’s results, blame the Illegal, and want him gone but see no way to do it other than through Trump's indirect, entirely deniable attack.

33 posted on 04/17/2011 1:43:04 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Balding_Eagle

;-)


34 posted on 04/17/2011 1:48:32 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: libstripper
That's essential for the Witch, who can't have her fingerprints on a takedown of the Illegal lest she lose black support. I also suspect the Trump run is being allowed because many Dems are horrified about the 2010 election’s results, blame the Illegal, and want him gone but see no way to do it other than through Trump's indirect, entirely deniable attack.

Not a bad conspiracy theory, except that it's too good. By that, I mean, what's to stop Trump from becoming president himself? He can hammer at Obama all day long. It will damage Obama, but it won't dislodge him from the Democrat incumbency.

At some point, Hillary will have to step forward and attempt to seize the nomination in a hostile manner. That's a *huge* leap. There's no way that move won't turn messy. Hillary could easily wind up with Trump as a highly popular Republican nominee, and herself badly damaged by a primary battle against a seated incumbent President.

Whether she succeeds or fails, Obama and his fanatics will not go quietly into the night. If Hillary 'turns traitor', and the DNC vote splits, the fallout will be cataclysmic. It could easily tip the election to the Republicans. It will almost certainly destroy her chances for 2016, which are hers for the taking now.

All the while, her floppy haired co-conspirator could very plausibly waltz past the DNC bloodbath and become the President. Why would an arrogant, ambitious man polling well feel obliged to honor any agreement while his opponents are self destructing?

35 posted on 04/17/2011 2:11:56 PM PDT by Steel Wolf ("There are moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate." - Ibn Warraq)
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To: MindBender26

With one glaring difference you conveniently omitted.
Jesse never even came close to lead in national polls.


36 posted on 04/17/2011 2:27:10 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: MindBender26
. Unfortunately for him, that management style doesn’t work with Congress, the Prime Ministers of foreign countries…. or most American citizens for that matter.

The management style of knowing how to pick capable people for a job, and knowing how to delegate responsibilities to those capable people, that management style works everywhere it's tried. Actually, it probably the only style that can work in a job as complex as the US presidency.

Then it's matter patience and having reasonable expectations considering the realities one is dealing with, and having feedback mechanism to assess progress.

This dude has said nothing convincing that supports a notion that Trump could not function in the presidency.

37 posted on 04/17/2011 2:30:10 PM PDT by Will88
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To: izzatzo
I don’t consider Trump a serious candidate

Can you name me ONE non-serious candidate in last 100 years who was leading in national GOP polls even once?
38 posted on 04/17/2011 2:30:26 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: Steel Wolf

You got that pretty well analyzed. If Hillary primaries Obama, it is all over for the democrats in 2012.


39 posted on 04/17/2011 2:32:40 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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To: Steel Wolf

You are almost correct. Ego has a lot to do with it. But I think LEGACY might be even bigger factor.

Donald has more money than 99.999% of Americans He owns fantastic golf resorts and loves golf, and I do to so I know how he enjoys his magnificent courses. He has a trophy wife. He has fame. Even the media critters like this guy. And he has reached mid-60’s, a time when most people start thinking about the legacy they will leave behind. So what is missing in Donald’s life?

L E G A C Y! And only way he can achieve a crowning legacy is sit in the biggest and most powerful chair.


40 posted on 04/17/2011 2:38:56 PM PDT by Bridge_toofar (Trump/Bachmann in 2012)
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