I knew that Fred was self-made. This line of discussion, tho, began with the proposition that The Donald was, of all things, born/raised in NY,NY vs. GWB being of the fine soil of TX. My intent was to return to the absurd contrast as to the socio-economic roots of the two men (both of whom I like and appreciate for what and who they are).
Suffice to say that one of them probably knew how to use a fish fork properly before he was out of the cradle; the other not until he was well out of Wharton. $$ and geography have little to do with that.
I have no idea who started using a fish fork properly, first.
My entry into the line of discussion was simply to correct the idea that Donald Trump was from a "middle-working class neighborhood" called "Jamaica".
BTW, as an odd side note, Barbara Pierce Bush of Rye, was born in....Flushing Queens.