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To: The Theophilus; El Cid
The united States is not Old Testament Israel. Everything you just said above is blasphemy.

I've kind of got to agree with El Cid when it comes to the blessing and curses in the Old Testament Law, of course that is assuming that is what El Cid is referring too.

please explain how you see El Cid statement as blasphemy, are you saying the Old Testament Law is only valid for the Old Testament Israel

For the record I don't want to take up the position that God is cursing or blessing United States at the moment. El Cid though does make a assumption that I'm not sure I would totally consent to and that is that America is being cursed, am I correct El Cid.

63 posted on 04/15/2011 2:08:46 PM PDT by ReformedBeckite ( post 1 of 3 I'm only allowing my self each day)
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To: ReformedBeckite
For the record I don't want to take up the position that God is cursing or blessing United States at the moment. El Cid though does make a assumption that I'm not sure I would totally consent to and that is that America is being cursed, am I correct El Cid.

I'd put it like this (and note: there is only ONE who is Omniscient and without error. I certainly can be wrong): God is not detached from the affairs of man. He is not a detached watchmaker who wound up his watch and left it alone as HE vacated to the distant Heavenlies. The passage of Daniel 4:17 certainly does apply: "... the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men". And note that the reference here was to a heathen nation - not Israel.

But, that being said. I acknowledge that God's ways are known to HIM alone. We know that HE is good, and HE is a God of love, and mercy, AND Justice. Romans 11:22 "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God..."

Yes, I believe if a people honor and revere God - they will be blessed. And if they distain him, with at most a lip-service reverence - they will be cursed. But how God will carry out HIS Judgment - only HE knows. We know that HE is long suffering and patient - not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance. He waited 400 years for the iniquity of the Amorites to be full ... and yet they never repented. God obviously has HIS own time-schedule, and its not that of man.

I believe we get the leaders we deserve, and who reflect the people we are. How God will use this for HIS purpose - is known to HIM. Whether HE will use this as a chastisement to bring wayward people back, or whether we will be like the people of Romans 1 where it is said 3 times, "God gave them up"... is known only to God.

84 posted on 04/15/2011 4:45:08 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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