Posted on 04/14/2011 4:47:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I thought the president would take a pass when I asked him about Donald Trumps rise to the top of the Republican field in my exclusive interview today.
Far from it.
He grabbed at the chance with a big smile saying he thinks the whole issue will be a problem for Republicans.
I think that over the last two and a half years there's been an effort to go at me in a way that is politically expedient in the short-term for Republicans. But [it] creates, I think a problem for them when they want to actually run in a general election where most people feel pretty confident the President was born where he says he was, in Hawaii. He-- he doesn't have horns we're not really worrying about conspiracy theories or-- or birth certificates, President Obama told me.
And in all my talks with Obama I think it was the first time he was one the same page as Karl Rove who thinks the birther controversy is hurting the GOP.
The truth of the matter is that I think that the vast majority of Americans across the country Democratic or Republican really want this election to be about growing the economy, getting control of the deficit, preparing the future for our kids. And my suspicion is that anybody who is not addressing those questions
Is going to be in trouble. I think they may get a quick pop in the news. They may get a lot of attention. But ultimately, the American people understand this is a serious, sober time, he told me....
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There are many holes in your story.
That being said, the eligibility issue should not and will not be the only issue as the election approaches. I share your feelings about that for sure. That was my concern weeks ago too. It is for that reason I’m doing what I’m doing now to help get the facts out there so that we can indeed move on.
I agree 100% with you about gas prices, jobs, Libya and yes we do need to focus on those issues and they need to be the primary issues.
But at this time, there are no candidates so I’m taking advantage of the time. The majority of Americans question Obama’s eligibility.
I do think you will be proven wrong about Obama’s eligibility though. But I hope you’re right.
He COULD have filed DOWN his horns to make them less noticeable!
IMHO, the question should be simple: has the U.S. ever recognized a prospective Preisdent as being anything other than a citizen solely of the United States. Rather than focusing on particulars of parentage and birthplace, I think it would be more natural to say that a person is a natural born citizen of the U.S. if and only if the person has been recognized by the U.S. exclusively as a U.S. citizen and has never been recognized by the U.S. as a citizen of any other country. It is vaguely conceivable that Obama would qualify, but there are at least two probable points of disqualification: if he wasn’t born in the U.S., the U.S. would have likely recognized him as a British citizen, and depending upon exactly what happened in Indonesia, he might for a time have been recognized as an Indonesian citizen. Even with regards to the birth certificate, I wouldn’t be surprised if the latter issue is in fact the problem. If Barack was born in Hawaii, but his birth certificate was amended to say he was born in Jakarta, that would likely have been regarded as an acknowledgment of Indonesian citizenship.
The Republican opponent of Woodrow Wilson was found to have been born, like Obama, to have been born of a British parent. He was exposed by Democract Attorney Breckinridge Long, and exposed in the largest legal newspaper in the country. Had Charles Evans Hughes won he would absolutely have been challenged. The Chicago Legal News article was thorough, full of cititations, and explained some of the legal history of natural born citizenship. You can find the article on ScribD by searching for Breckenridge Long or Charles Evans Hughes.
There is no vagueness about the requirement. It has been discusses at least a dozen times in supreme court cases. Evan Charles Evans Hughes, who hoped we would ignore it. was later appointed Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and cited Morrison Waite's Minor v. Happersett decision when explaining that Marie Elg, born to naturalized Swedish Citizens in New York, but brought to Sweden as a child, was declared eligible, after residing for 14 years in the U.S. to run for president. She was a citizen by nature, and that could not be taken away by our State Department. The case from 1939,was Perkins v. Elg.
Barack is not eligible. We can ignore it just as we ignore other provisions of the Constitution, just as Obama ignores the unconstitutionality of his Heallthcare bill, and the provisions of the Constitutions which some of us still like may be negated by the opinions of others. We will have no Constitution. That is the the goal of the far left. If the Constitution has meaning, Obama is not our President. He has come straight at us, challenging us with his having been naturalized. If we have no constitution, whomever is paid the most, or threatened, will pass the laws they tell him/her to pass and freedom will be gone.
...challenging us with his having been naturalized....
help me out, when and where was he naturalized?
You are probably correct SideoutFred. But it doesn't matter. He was not born to parents who are citizens. Both conditions, born on our soil AND parents who were citizens, are required for natural born citizenship. The citizen parents requirement was loudly proclaimed by both Republicans and Democrats to deem McCain eligible. It is not true of Obama. Do we have different rules for different races?
Inherited allegiance was important enough for John Jay to remind Washington to include it in 1787. It is at least as important today. Barack spelled out why in his book Dreams From My Father. Whether or not he spent time with his father, his mother made Barck with Barack Sr. His relatives talked about him. This is human behavior, and covered by what the most influential philosopher to our founders, Vattel, called “Natural Law.”
Your daughter is going to marry, to join two families and what do you ask, only knowing that the young man is on good behavior and wants to do natural things with your daughter. You want to know the parents, their ethics, their morals, possibly their religion, their financial status. That will tell you more about the young man than he will.
The English won't permit naturalized citizens to be Members of Parliament. Our founders and framers let naturalized citizens hold every office in our government but the presidency (and vice presidency by implication). Barack/Barry is a naturalized citizen if he was born in Hawaii, though may not actually be a legal citizen. And while being born there makes no difference to his eligibility, I too suspect that he was born in Hawaii and is withholding his documents because he can.
Barack knew that those who voted for him wouldn't care, or understand, or believe those who questioned his eligibility. Most young voters wouldn't have known that McCain was sued three times by Democrats who questioned his eligibility in the 2000 campaign. Now Obama can release his birth certificate if Trump should become our nominee, and embarrass him. Trump knows that. We can only guess why he is raising just the birth certificate issue. But it isn't an honest effort to question Barry's eligibility, so we should assume, with eighty percent of his campaign contirubutions going to Democrats, that Trump has chosen to help what he considers to be the winning side. That is probably why few Conservative or Republican potential contenders will touch the "birth certificate" issue. They know they could be stung. It would be a surprise to learn that any legislator does not know the definition of a natural born citizen. They simply see no gain in combating the ignorance of the public, assuaged by the phony birth certificate agitprop, and a press which will do anything to keep the public confused.
A person born of foreign parents would generally have a recognizable claim of citizenship to the parent's country of origin, no? Consequently, such a person would not be a citizen exclusively of the U.S.
Regardless of where Obama was born, if he was recognized as a citizen of Indonesia, that might be easier to prove than his birthplace, and be just as much of a disqualifier.
Please tell me why the SCOTUS hasn’t taken up this issue then? A SCOTUS, I’d remind you, that has a majority of Conservatives on the court and are lifetime appointed?
There is NOTHING HERE and we look ridiculous bringing it up time and time again. Stop with the technicality stuff (which can’t be proven anyway). If we can’t beat this clown based on his performance, what does that say about our side?
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