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Evidence Obama was born in Honolulu:
1. COLB shows he was born in Honolulu
* Is not even a complete COLB, missing information.
= not true, it’s a complete COLB and has the same info as any othre COLB

2. 2 newspaper announcements in Aug 1961 in Honolulu announced his birth
* Means nothing, anyone can put an announcement in the newspaper.
= a common error of ‘true believers’ to discount any data that conflicts with their thesis; this is ‘confirmation bias’. It is NOT true that ‘anyone’ can put an announcement in the paper, the section the announcements were put in were from public records, so they came from records dept, not public submission. This means that Hawaii Dept of Health gave the newspaper the info. and where did the dept of health get their info? From hospitals.

3. specific hospital where he was born named.
* When was this done?
= official bio, relatives, etc.

4. It was where his mother met her father and where they both lived and went to school
* And the point here is what?
= It’s rather absurd for a very pregnant woman to take an air flight from a remote island to have a baby somewhere else. That’s what would have to happen for Barack to not be born in Hawaii.

5. His birth information is on file with state records
* Have you seen it? How do you know as no one has seen it.
= It is false to state that ‘nobody has seen it’ since hawaii official Dr Chiyome Fukino has publicly stated she has seen the original birth information and confirmed the COLB document’s validity. See here:

“Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document’s validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics

6. State officials have vouched for his state records and state he was born in Honolulu.
* Have you seen it? Some have said they have seen it (will not show it), some say it does not exist, some say they have seen it but now it’s gone.
* So bottom line, where is the birth certificate?
= Correct. the ONE VALID POINT here is that the original information has not been publicly released, only the COLB. Obviously, if they did release it, it would allay the questions about which hospital etc.
BUT they claim that it cant be done legally according to state law.
The answer to your question, though, is simple: The information is on file with state of hawaii, they have vouched for it, and the COLB that has been publicly released matches the information.
Now, you can go all conspiracy-theory on this and doubt officials and stories and make claims of forgeries and frauds, but frankly, none of those claims have evidence to back them up, just suppositions and unsupported accusations.

Evidence Obama was born somewhere else:
* Really? How about his Kenyan family members, his wife....
= See my other post. The claim his Grandma said he was born in Kenya was false, she really said he was born in Hawaii.

* Maybe he was born in the USA
= More than a ‘maybe’

... but why has he spent over $2 million, to prevent anyone from seeing the original BC, what is he hiding?
= Note that (a) THIS ISSUE HAS HELPED OBAMA POLITICALLY - HE GETS A FREE “RACIST CARD” WHEN IT POPS UP (b) it’s a distraction from issues that really kill him (c) he’s not really ‘hiding’ his BC, the state of hawaii wont release it. He probably doesnt have it, just the COLB (d) he is a thin-skinned egomaniac, why would he cater to measly you on your information requests?

* Why has he sealed his college records. what is he hiding?
= see point (d) above. Valid question, but no about his place of birth.

Again, why do you keep posting so much inaccurate info? Is there a reason? Are you being paid to? I don’t understand. Please, help us all out here.

What COLB did you see? The one I saw was not complete.
As far as the birth announcement, unless Hawaii is different anyone can put a birth announcement in the paper. I put one in our local paper when my first grandchild was born for my daughter in the paper in her home town not in the town she was living in at the time when the grandchild was born.
His bio says one thing, his sister says another, and his grandmother didn't remember.
The Hawaii officials change their mind on this information as much as I change diapers on my youngest grandchild.
This would be settled if Obama would just allow the release of his official state stamped long form BC. Why wont he do that simple act?
It is he that keeps the issue alive.

“not true, it’s a complete COLB and has the same info as any othre COLB”
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You are parsing words.
We are not interested in your bogus COLB, as it is
not a REAL birth certificate.
Real Hawaiian birth certificates are posted all over the internet, and from the same time frame as Obama’s birth.

I also question the source of the bogus COLB that you posted.
It appears that the creator went a bit overboard to make it look old, and folded as if mailed.
The S/N appears to have been added to take the place of the redaction as seen on ALL other copies, and the type style
is contrary to any other data.

Give us a logical reason for why Obama refuses to show the REAL birth certificate.

Mistakes in your post:

1. The COLB does have inaccuracies in it. In 1961 there was no race called African, for one.

2. The newspaper ad microfiches have been tampered with, making them questionable. Read butterdezillion's work on this. Also, the ads were created by one of the public health offices, but not the one close to the hospitals, where all the hospital births were reported. Instead, this news came from the office much farther away, where the native Hawaiians giving birth out of the hospital would announce their babies, and this office also happened to be close to the Dunham residence. This is all already researched, but I don't have the link right now.

3. Specific hospital -- Both Obama and his sister have given different answers as to which hospital he was supposedly born at. Maya has actually, at different times, given BOTH the hospitals.

4. I will agree that it is ABSURD that little underaged Stanley Ann would travel to Africa in high pregnancy. In fact, there is no evidence her baby daddy was even around at that time in her life. Since she first was seen with newborn Barry in Seattle, the most probably scenario is that she spent her late pregnancy in a home for unwed mothers. It was common for Seattle girls to pop over the border and have their babies thus in Vancouver. If she did so, she was not old enough to confer USA citizenship on her baby.

Also, please note that even if he were born in the USA, his travel docs and education docs are VITAL for the voters to determine his loyalty to this country. If Barack Obama once checked the box on his college application marked "NO" to the question, "Are you an American citizen," the country knows this is not someone who should be our President.

Likewise, if Barack Obama reapplied or renewed a foreign passport when he was over 18, and traveled under it, he would be a very poor choice for President of this country.

Certain loyalties to other countries as an adult are GROUNDS for citizenship loss. Most people fall between the cracks on this; no one checks, no one really cares. But this kind of disloyalty to the USA is NOT acceptable for our President.