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1 posted on 04/14/2011 10:30:16 AM PDT by AJFavish
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They can do what they want, but I still prefer my cars to be made out of metal...


2 posted on 04/14/2011 10:34:31 AM PDT by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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3 posted on 04/14/2011 10:34:57 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: AJFavish
I might consider a propane powered car, but Nat Gas is a totally different animal. 5-6k lbs of pressure vs. 200-300 is way different. Propane seems to follow gasoline, however and seems to never present a significant price advantage as a fuel.

What I would like to see, however, is other fuels made from Nat gas. There is a dozen uses for using Nat gas as a fuel base instead of compressing it to 6k lbs. What I think would help would be to decide on a fuel that could be made from oil, Nat Gas, or coal to use in motor vehicles and build cars to use that. Diesel comes to mind. The Nazi's had very little oil they didn't steal from other countries so they fought much of the war with coal fuels. I'm no expert, but I hear there are many fuels that can be made from Nat gas. With abundant Nat Gas and coal in the US, we would be energy independent.

4 posted on 04/14/2011 10:42:44 AM PDT by chuckles
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“Not ‘til 2017?”

Most journalists and (self-anointed) environmentalists have no idea, whatsoever, how much is involved in engineering and implementing technological changes, for mass production. The time-frame seems reasonable.

7 posted on 04/14/2011 10:52:18 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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What’s going to happen to the price of natural gas when the federal government finds a way to outlaw hydraulic fracturing?


12 posted on 04/14/2011 11:38:19 AM PDT by NRG1973
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said Monday that, "the technology is very actively being worked on."

The City of Boston had one of their NG vehicles on display for the very first erf day. This is hardly new tech.

13 posted on 04/14/2011 11:48:23 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (President Obama's approval ratings are so low now, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the US)
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Here in the City of San Diego buses have been running on natural gas [Compressed natural gas (CNG)]for years as they continue to phase out the diesel buses. Also, recently I’ve seen placards on those semi-automatic trash trucks (Waste Management) proclaiming how their big trash trucks now run on CNG.


15 posted on 04/14/2011 12:00:43 PM PDT by Razzz42
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Honda already has a CIVIC for sale that runs on CNG. PG&E - Pacific Gas and Electric fleet vehicles run on CNG. The Santa Clara Valley Transit Authority (Silicon Valley) runs many buses on CNG. Yesterday I passed the one that goes to Santa Cruz, which is powered by CNG.

The Honda travels just as far with CNG as if it was gasoline powered.

The following was copied from http://www.altfuels.org/backgrnd/altftype/cng.html

Compressed natural gas is like liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) in many ways, only more so. It is very easy on the engine, giving longer service life and lower maintenance costs. CNG is the least expensive alternative fuel (except electricity) when you compare equal amounts of fuel energy, and, in my experience at least, its price has been relatively steady (except for one big jump when California utility regulators changed the rules!). At the peak of the big gasoline price run-up in April, 1996, I was paying half as much for a gasoline-gallon-equivalent of 130-octane natural gas as I would have paid for a gallon of 92-octane unleaded gasoline! Even with the natural-gas price spikes of the last few years, I have found the price of CNG to be less volatile, and on average lower, than that of gasoline.

"The high octane rating of natural gas allows the CNG-powered Honda Civic GX to use a very high compression ratio and produce more power than stock gasoline versions. My own van has a stock compression ratio and about 10% lower power output than the gasoline version with the same-size engine, but I get significantly better fuel economy on the open road because the high octane rating of the fuel allows timing and mixture to be adjusted for more efficiency without causing detonation ("knocking"). And, as with LPG, because the fuel tanks have to withstand such enormous internal pressures, they are incredibly tough, with good results for safety. In addition, because natural gas is lighter than air and has very narrow flammability limits, if a leak develops it is very likely that the fuel will dissipate harmlessly into the air without causing a danger of ignition or explosion."

the shame of it is the 6 year delay - no reason for that. That's six more years of our money going to the Sand Countries and that nut in Venezuela

17 posted on 04/14/2011 12:40:35 PM PDT by muleskinner
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once again the “real private sector” is beaing the crap out of govenment favored programs - http://srcreman.com/ this company, springfield remanufacturing, is providing natural gas Postal trucks - rebuilt 100% american made!!


20 posted on 04/14/2011 1:10:31 PM PDT by q_an_a (a)
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