[tacticalogic]

As long as the "social conservatives" insist on supporting the current domestic drug war and legitimizing the abuse of the Commerce Clause that goes with it, their claim to being "fiscally conservative" is specious, IMHO.

Nobody who's given any serious thought to the explosive expansion of the federal government and looked at the root causes can really believe that the substantial effects doctrine and the New Deal Commerce Clause are something we need to keep.

[AndyJackson]

As long as the "social conservatives" insist on supporting the current domestic drug war and legitimizing the abuse of the Commerce Clause that goes with it, their claim to being "fiscally conservative" is specious, IMHO.

Until social conservatives understand this, the democratic party (not that they don' support the WOD and abuse of the commerce clause either) will seem like a refuge to those who would support fiscal conservatism, but see none in the social conservatives and run screaming from these other agendae.

[antiRepublicrat]

As long as the "social conservatives" insist on supporting the current domestic drug war and legitimizing the abuse of the Commerce Clause that goes with it, their claim to being "fiscally conservative" is specious, IMHO.

There's something we definitely agree on, and it goes to other areas too. I think it should be restated. Personal social conservatism is a value that promotes overall fiscal conservatism. The problem comes when you try to force that social conservatism onto others, because the enforcement incurs a serious fiscal cost.