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To: Smokeyblue
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.
5 posted on 04/11/2011 6:17:36 PM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: FewsOrange
Somebody is lying. From the article:

Moreover, on Oct. 13, 2010, a contributor with the username "Danae" posted on FreeRepublic.com a copy of her long-form birth certificate originally issued in 1969, but which the Hawaii Department of Health mailed to her on Sept. 28, 2010, after she paid a $10 fee.

Also from the article....

To verify her transaction, she also posted a receipt she was sent Sept. 28, 2010, by the Hawaii state agency, documenting the $10 fee to get her long-form, hospital-generated certificate.

...something stinks, and I believe the Freeper.

13 posted on 04/11/2011 6:48:58 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: FewsOrange

Are you familiar with the Wayback Machine? It periodically crawls the web and archives what it finds.

The web page you quoted changed sometime between Nov 2, 2008 and June 20, 2009.

The Nov 2, 2008 version: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20081102192728/http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl

June 20, 2009 version: http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20090620183018/http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl


19 posted on 04/11/2011 7:08:38 PM PDT by TKeith
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To: FewsOrange
Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

True, they no longer issue if requested in the normal manner. That does not mean the original longform is not on file. They are playing semantics when talking about issuing birth certificates. That is not the point here. The point is having access to the longform that is on file. This talk about what the department now issues or does not issue is a red herring. They are being misleading if they insist that the DOH doesn't have copies of the longform and those copies cannot be accessed.Copies of the longform are kept on microfiche or microfilm.

From the Department of Hawaiian Homelands Site:

The State Department of Health, the State Archives, and the State Bureau of Conveyances are just a few places where you can look for and obtain primary and secondary documents. Certified copies of records can be obtained for a fee.

How do they define primary documents?

Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification

In addition, you have the Hawaii Revised Statutes:

92-31 Disposition of original record. A photograph, microphotograph, reproduction on film, or electronic form of a government record shall be placed in conveniently accessible files and provisions made for preserving, examining, and using the same. Thereafter, a public officer, after having first received the written approval of the comptroller as provided in section 94-3, may cause such record, paper, or document to be destroyed. The comptroller may require, as a prerequisite to the granting of such approval, that a reproduction or print of such photograph, microphotograph, or reproduction on film, or electronic form of the record be delivered into the custody of the public archives for safekeeping. The comptroller may also require the delivery into the custody of another governmental department or agency or a research library of any such record, paper, or document proposed to be destroyed under the provisions of this section.

So, either the original microfiche copy is still available or a complete reproduction of it in electronic form is available. To put something in electronic form and not copy all the data on the original document would be against the law. Where these files have to be accessible and provisions have to be made for examining them, it would be misleading for the Department of Health to say that the information on the original Certificate of Live Birth is no longer available. Under Hawaii Revised Statutes 338-18, those with a direct and tangible interest in the record are permitted inspection of public health statistics records. That would include either the microfiche or electronic copy of the original Certificate of Live Birth.

32 posted on 04/11/2011 11:20:13 PM PDT by TheCipher
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