Now come on. You really think it's that simple? Newt (Republicans) had both both houses of congress in 2005 and yet caved to Clinton vetos. Pelosi had both Houses in 2007 and caved to Bush vetos on war spending.
Recall 2005 Newt announces he wants a shutdown, had the media crucify Republicans for it using his statements, public opinion turns against them, Newt caves in and gives into all of Clintons demands, he pays federal workers full pay and benefits for the three weeks off costing more than keeping it open royally pissing off voters. Then Clinton easily wins Re-election.
I want them to WIN this time and Bachmann appears to also. Unless we can turn public opinion against Obama and Reid on this, a brave stand will turn to a disaster. Bachmann is much smarter than she is being given credit for. If public opinion turns on Obama he will cave and vice versa.
Well, that's the difference between running the country with your finger in the air and running the country based on principles.
You are right... we have to make sure that public opinion is against Obama and Reid on this. That's who is at fault.
Well in 1996 the GOP held the House rather easily even with the shutdown. You’d think if the public was really upset they would have turned on the House members. Also, Clinton did win but not because of the shutdown. He own because the economy was in great shape and because of Dole. The exit poll on election day showed Powell would have beaten him easily if he was the GOP nominee(again, even with the shutdown).
Clinton didn’t win in 1996 because of the 95 shutdown. It really had little to do with the outcome. the only thing the shutdown resulted in was that a little known intern got to spend extra time at the WH and bring the President pizza and we all know where that ended up.
Also, what makes you think if public opinion is where it is now it will be any better in the fall when it’s 180B of cuts and not 60B of cuts. Why is there any reason to believe we’ll do any better with the 2012 budget than we will now?