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To: centurion316
And you wanted to know why I didn't ping you? I agree that your position is simple. You are a nasty mean spirited arrogant know-it-all. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

I have never claimed to know where Obama was born. None of the questionable documentation that he has been provided to the public can even be proven to have been released by the man himself. It seems doubtful much of it would hold up in court, which is most likely why his administration has fought so hard to keep any of his “documentation” from being scrutinized in a courtroom setting.

I do know that much of Obama’s official narrative has been proven to be pure fiction. I do know that arrogant know-it-alls such as yourself who are willing to accept without question this BS are fools. I believe that President of the United States is still the most powerful person in the world and that the person who holds the office is constitutionally and morally obligated to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they are eligable to hold that office. In Obama’s case this has not been done. Multiple polls have shown that a sizable percentage of the population are still not sure about his origins or background.

With all the lawyer speak and double talk on this issue... I think it is possible that everything on the questionable Certification of Live Birth that was released could be accurate. I believe that the definition of “natural born citizen” commonly accepted by the framers of the constitution specified that both parents must have been citizens of the United States at the time of the child's birth. It is possible that the battle to keep this out of court is merely to keep Obama Sr. from being proven in a court of law to be Jr.s legal father. This could open up a whole new can of worms. At this point all we know is that Obama’s allies have fought very hard to prevent the documentation that could put this all to rest out of a courtroom.

71 posted on 04/02/2011 10:21:22 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: fireman15
And you wanted to know why I didn't ping you? I agree that your position is simple. You are a nasty mean spirited arrogant know-it-all. It doesn't get much simpler than that.

I hardly know it all, I am learning all the time on this forum, for example. I do know a great deal about military service, military law, and the role of our military in society and I intend to protect it against those forces who would drag it into the political cesspool. Time was when civil service including state and local government, federal civilian service and the military stood above politics and answered to a higher called of service to the public. Franklin Roosevelt, among others considered it paramount to maintain this separation between politics and service to the nation. Only the military stands apart in today's society, the others have become fiercely partisan favoring both unions and the Democrat Party. It is an insidious disease that must not infect military service and I will argue against it every time I see it.

I do know that much of Obama’s official narrative has been proven to be pure fiction. I do know that arrogant know-it-alls such as yourself who are willing to accept without question this BS are fools.

Some of Obama's official narrative has been shown to be fiction, and I certainly think that most of it will be some day. You cannot have examined my posting history as you advised others to do. I am a great supporter of my friend Jack Cashill and his tireless work to expose Dreams From My Father

I believe ... that the person who holds the office is constitutionally and morally obligated to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they are eligable to hold that office.

I agree with this point, but none of the political class share your view. They, and the courts, don't care and that's not likely to change. Obama pulled a fast one, but I don't think he was trying to hide his birth details. Something else, perhaps even more damaging was at stake.

I believe that the definition of “natural born citizen” commonly accepted by the framers of the constitution specified that both parents must have been citizens of the United States at the time of the child's birth. It is possible that the battle to keep this out of court is merely to keep Obama Sr. from being proven in a court of law to be Jr.s legal father. This could open up a whole new can of worms. At this point all we know is that Obama’s allies have fought very hard to prevent the documentation that could put this all to rest out of a courtroom.

You're right again, and this particular issue is one that the courts could take on. There are several arguments on this point, and until the Supreme Court rules, its anyone's guess. I do believe that the political class and most of the judiciary take the view that since the passage of the 14th Amendment, birth on U.S. soil is all that is required. Most of the people who hold this view have studied the issue only superficially, but my guess that the Supremes would consider that good enough and rule in their favor.

77 posted on 04/02/2011 11:41:41 AM PDT by centurion316
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