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Libya update...

Rebels are also putting experienced fighters the front, and asking inexperienced to guard checkpnts, convoys, etc

Major overhaul in rebel organiz., they are now in groups w/ commanders controlling groupsps + new leader of Free Libya Army.

BREAKING: Coalition air strikes hit Gaddafi brigades close to residential area in Misrata. ‘Not one civilian injury’.

The current time in Tripoli is 5:30 AM on Saturday, 2 April 2011


129 posted on 04/01/2011 8:41:08 PM PDT by caww
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Before you can grasp the context of obama's libya speech, there are a couple of things you need to know that most people don't.
FIRST
obama was not speaking to us. He was speaking to muslims. He laid out the NEXT target. American diplomats and our miltary in Iraq and Afghanistan...their families, Americans anywhere, and finally western allies of America.
SECOND
People speculated why his speech MIGHT have been timed so as not to preempt Dancing With the Stars.
In islam, specific muslim prayers, must be said before giving public speeches, and the speeches must follow either NOON or Evening prayers.
Remember when obama left Netanyahu to "go to dinner" wirh his wife and children, then returned an hour later? His wife and children were not even home that day, yet no one rally paid attention to the timing, only the rudeness to Netanyahu.; or when he left bill clinton alone at the podium in the WH briefing room? He kept looking at his watch nervously, and finally just walked out.
THIRD
islam is intricately connected to the symbolism of the north star. Indeed, it graces the COVER of the q-ran.
This

is how we see it

THIS

is how THEY see it

It is the symbol for the highest representation in different hierarchies and/or places within islam.
It is the actual North Pole.(Prairie Muslims build mosque for Arctic.)
It is the mahdi.
It is mohammad.
It is mecca.
It is Yusuf al-Qaradawi,

who speaks for millions of muslims and who is the"spiritual leader" of the"uprisings" in the arab countries. (Note the north star on the cover of the q-ran.)
And from this speech, it is clear that obama feels he is also a muslim leader.

Setting the target:
obama: "I want to begin by paying tribute to our men and women in uniform who, once again, have acted with courage, professionalism and patriotism. They have moved with incredible speed and strength. Because of them and our dedicated diplomats, a coalition has been forged and countless lives have been saved. *Meanwhile, as we speak, our troops are supporting our ally Japan, **leav(e)ing Iraq to its people, stopping the Taliban's momentum in ***Afghanistan, ****and going after al Qaeda around the globe. As Commander-in-Chief, I am grateful to our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coast Guardsmen, and their families, as are all Americans."

"For generations, the United States of America has played a unique role as an anchor of global security (and oppressed you and held you back) and advocate for human freedom. (on the wrong side.) Mindful of the risks and costs of military action, we are naturally reluctant to use force to solve the world's many challenges. But when our interests and values are at stake, we have a responsibility to act. That is what happened in Libya over the course of these last six weeks."

Me: qaddafi has been fighting al qaeda within his own country. He has been providing intel to western countries. And when push came to shove, as he was on the verge of victory against them, lo and behold. HE is he enemy now and we are considering ARMING al qaeda.
This has become a glitch in the soros doctrine for this reason. soros thinks he controls this. qaddafi was his boy. obama has left the reservation yet again to align himself with al qaeda and the ahmahdi muslim brothehood.
Any westerner who thinks they can control these "uprisings" before, during, or AFTER is spitting into the wind.

obama:
"Libya sits directly between Tunisia and Egypt - two nations that inspired the world when their people rose up to take control of their own destiny. For more than four decades, the Libyan people have been ruled by a tyrant - Moammar Gaddafi. He has denied his people freedom, exploited their wealth, murdered opponents at home and abroad, and terrorized innocent people around the world - including Americans who were killed by Libyan agents."

Me: But this gives the lie to what obama and his minions have been LEADING in the region. Why qaddafi? Because qaddafi will not go quietly as the other "leaders" have done. He will not give al qaeda what they demand as other "leaders" have done. HE will fight them in ways they did not expect and were not prepared for because qadaffi, himself, is a terrorist. Long before bin laden, there was qaddafi. And he is not beholden to the ahmahdi for anything. iran does not direct his actions. he is singularly insane. And he stands in the way of the caliphate.
For years, we have been trying to enlighten people that the separation of shia, sunni, and sufi, was miniscule as it pertained to the establishment of an islamic caliphate. They will fight each other to the death for a myriad of reasons, but they will fight TOGETHER to establish islamic dominance in and OF the world.

obama:
Last month, Gaddafi's grip of fear appeared to give way to the promise of freedom. In cities and towns across the country, Libyans took to the streets to claim their basic human rights. As one Libyan said, "For the first time we finally have hope that our nightmare of 40 years will soon be over."

Faced with this opposition, Gaddafi began attacking his people. As President, my immediate concern was the safety of our citizens, so we evacuated our Embassy and all Americans who sought our assistance. We then took a series of swift steps in a matter of days to answer Gaddafi's aggression. We froze more than $33 billion of the Gaddafi regime's assets. Joining with other nations at the United Nations Security Council, we broadened our sanctions, imposed an arms embargo, and enabled Gaddafi and those around him to be held accountable for their crimes. I made it clear that Gaddafi had lost the confidence of his people and the legitimacy to lead, and I said that he needed to step down from power.

Me: I, I, I.qaddafi spoke up and challenged obama. (Who is he to tell qaddafi what to do?) Well, obviously, obama thinks his "leadership" role in the muslim world trumps qaddafi's "leadership" in his own country. You do NOT personally dis the ONE. qaddafi did that. obama is the kind of character that puts his ego above his judgement. HE feels that he is to be obeyed and woe unto them who doubt it.

obama:
In the face of the world's condemnation, Gaddafi chose to escalate his attacks, launching a military campaign against the Libyan people. Innocent people were targeted for killing. Hospitals and ambulances were attacked. Journalists were arrested, sexually assaulted, and killed. Supplies of food and fuel were choked off. The water for hundreds of thousands of people in Misratah was shut off. Cities and towns were shelled, mosques destroyed, and apartment buildings reduced to rubble. Military jets and helicopter gunships were unleashed upon people who had no means to defend themselves against assault from the air.

Confronted by this brutal repression and a looming humanitarian crisis, I ordered warships into the Mediterranean. European allies declared their willingness to commit resources to stop the killing. The Libyan opposition, and the Arab League, appealed to the world to save lives in Libya. At my direction, America led an effort with our allies at the United Nations Security Council to pass an historic Resolution that authorized a No Fly Zone to stop the regime's attacks from the air, and further authorized all necessary measures to protect the Libyan people.

Me: But NOT in syria, yemen, bahrain, tunisia, egypt, saudi arabia, and more, if not MOST importantly, iran.
And the next paragraphs are important to note BECAUSE of his utter silence on iran. Substitute ahmadinejad for qaddafi.

obama:
Ten days ago, having tried to end the violence without using force, the international community offered Gaddafi, (ahmadinejad,) a final chance to stop his campaign of killing, or face the consequences. Rather than stand down, his forces continued their advance, bearing down on the city of Benghazi, home to nearly 700,000 men, women and children who sought their freedom from fear.

At this point, the United States and the world faced a choice. Gaddafi, (ahmadinejad,) declared that he would show "no mercy" to his own people. He compared them to rats, and threatened to go door to door to inflict punishment. In the past, we had seen him hang civilians in the streets, and kill over a thousand people in a single day. Now, we saw regime forces on the outskirts of the city. We knew that if we waited one more day, Benghazi - a city nearly the size of Charlotte - could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world.

It was not in our national interest to let that happen. I refused to let that happen. And so nine days ago, after consulting the bipartisan leadership of Congress, I authorized military action to stop the killing and enforce UN Security Council Resolution 1973. We struck regime forces approaching Benghazi to save that city and the people within it. We hit Gaddafi's troops in neighboring Ajdabiya, allowing the opposition to drive them out. We hit his air defenses, which paved the way for a No Fly Zone. We targeted tanks and military assets that had been choking off towns and cities and we cut off much of their source of supply. And tonight, I can report that we have stopped Gaddafi's deadly advance. (But NOT ahmadinejad's.)

Me: This SAME scenario played itself out in iran. There were thugs in the streets. People disappeared. Opposition leaders were arrested, jailed, tortured, in some cases murdered or hung. The republican guard was ruthless. And the Green Revolution was defeated. And what was the difference? iran's revolution would have thrown off its strict islamic shackles and opted for a more westernized country.
Not only that, but they had the full sympathy and support of the American people.
ALL of the leaders who have been targetted for toppling have been ALLIES of the US. They have all helped us in one way or another. And they will ALL be taken over by islamic forces that hate us, hate the west, hate freedom, and have only one goal...a worldwide islamic caliphate. Those who have not yet been toppled are teetering precariously. Jordan might fall. Jordan has been our ally since WWII.

SNIP
I snipped it here because a lot of the next paragraphs are just useless and worthless patting himself on the back and rambling rhetoric. Posting the entire uncut speech after this if you want to read it.

Continuing further down:

obama:
Let me close by addressing what this action says about the use of America's military power, and America's broader leadership in the world, under my presidency.
"To be blunt, we went down that road in Iraq. Thanks to the extraordinary sacrifices of our troops and the determination of our diplomats, we are hopeful about Iraq's future. But regime change there took eight years, thousands of American and Iraqi lives, and nearly a trillion dollars. That is not something we can afford to repeat in Libya."

Me: In other words, eight years later, American troops and diplomats are STILL occupying/repressing a muslim country with no end in sight...still trying to control the outcome.

obama: "As Commander-in-Chief, I have no greater responsibility than keeping this country safe. And no decision weighs on me more than when to deploy our men and women in uniform. I have made it clear that I will never hesitate to use our military swiftly, decisively, and unilaterally when necessary to defend our people, our homeland, our allies, and our core interests. That is why we are going after al Qaeda wherever they seek a foothold. That is why we continue to fight in Afghanistan, even as we have ended our combat mission in Iraq and removed more than 100,000 troops from that country."

Me: obama would never have gone to iraq. Neither would he have gone to afghanistan. But once he became -resident, Us and western casualties skyrocketed. His administration bent over backwards to accommodate the taliban. And he is saying that iraq is weakened now, much more weakened with the removal of our fighting troops. It is ripe for the taking.

SNIP
obama:
There will be times, though, when our safety is not directly threatened, but our interests and values are. Sometimes, the course of history poses challenges that threaten our common humanity and common security - responding to natural disasters, for example; or preventing genocide and keeping the peace; ensuring regional security, and maintaining the flow of commerce. These may not be America's problems alone, but they are important to us, and they are problems worth solving. And in these circumstances, we know that the United States, as the world's most powerful nation, will often be called upon to help.

Me: The US was under NO threat. Most of us remember what happened in Kosovo. Most of us know that al qaeda, in conjunction with hardcore leftists in this, and other countries, are behind this uprising. Most of us have no love for qaddafi. In fact we loathe him. But that is the REAL false choice obama has presented to us. This was a war of evil against evil. It is a lose, lose for the US and the world. When evil fights itself, leave it alone.
So obama has chosen HIS personal evil and will support it to our detriment. IF he is allowed to arm al qaeda, the violence will spread farther and wider. Africa is doomed almost beyond resuscitation as it is. islam is killing and maiming and enslaving people wih utter abandon and no one is saying or doing anything about it. Europe is like an overripe fruit just waiting to fall.
It seems to me that the world is playing Russian Roulette and it is on the next to last chamber. Next comes the bullet. And they will be shocked when it happens.

obama:
This voice, (that greeted the pilot who crashed his jet in libya,) is just one of many in a region where a new generation is refusing to be denied their rights and opportunities any longer. Yes, this change will make the world more complicated for a time. Progress will be uneven, and change will come differently in different countries. There are places, like Egypt, where this change will inspire us and raise our hopes. And there will be places, like Iran, where change is fiercely suppressed. The dark forces of civil conflict and sectarian war will have to be averted, and difficult political and economic concerns addressed.

Me: This "change" will bring war to our doorstep. They can taste their victory. They feel they have already won, and this began when obama assumed the -residency. Everything he has done has benefitted their quest. His "leadership" has tanked our economy where 9/11 could not. He has severely weakened our military and we are stretched so thin that our troops are ragged, over-medicated, and war weary. He has allowed our troops to suffer untold losses in afghanistan. And NOW he is forcing OUR TROOPS to support the enemy they have been fighting for NINE years. HOW is this not treason?
He intervened and stopped the trial of khalid sheik mohammed after it had already begun. ksm was ready to plead guilty, but obama personally stopped it. He knew about the Christmas bomber and did nothing to stop him from landing in Detroit, Michigan. He alerted awlaki that we were hunting him to kill him so he could go into hiding. He refused to call the Fort Hood Massacre terrorism. He has placed a muslim in a position of authority at DOD that grants him access to all of our miltary secrets and gives him the ability to set policy. No correspondence goes in or out of DOD that does not pass through his hands. He has placed a muslim with terrorist ties in the upper management of Homeland Security. He refuses to call islamic terrorists what they are. He came out publicly FOR the Ground Zero victory mosque. He has instructed the state department to grant visas to known terrorists. He has allowed, and even facillitated a major influx of muslims into this country. He has refused to protect our borders.
More than this. Much more.

SNIP
obama:
Born, as we are, out of a revolution by those who longed to be free, we welcome the fact that history is on the move in the Middle East and North Africa, and that young people are leading the way. Because wherever people long to be free, they will find a friend in the United States. Ultimately, it is that faith - those ideals - that are the true measure of American leadership.

Me: THEIR history is one of a brutal and conquering islam. Global warfare. islamic dominance. That faith he is speaking of is his faith and their faith, not OUR faith. HE believes with his heart and soul that America was, and is, a colonial power that deserves defeat. History is on the move. islam is slowly but surely attaining its ultimate goal and HE is their friend and leader. He TOLD us this before he was elected. He said it straight up.
WHO among us welcomes a radical islamic takeover of ALL of our PREVIOUS allies in the Middle East?

obama:
My fellow Americans, I know that at a time of upheaval overseas - when the news is filled with conflict and change - it can be tempting to turn away from the world. And as I have said before, our strength abroad is anchored in our strength at home. That must always be our North Star - the ability of our people to reach their potential, to make wise choices with our resources, to enlarge the prosperity that serves as a wellspring of our power, and to live the values that we hold so dear.

Me: Now THERE is where it gets tricky.There is where he makes very clear that it is not OUR values he is talking about, but theirs. "OUR people" is not us, it's them, and he does not consider US his people.

Snip

Update:
Imam Yusuf Al Qaradawi has now issued a fatwa against Moammar Khadafy for the Muslim world to:Kill Khadafy.

Youssef al-Qaradawi, head of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, has issued a fatwa permitting the killing of Libyan leader Muammar Qadhafi. He urged Libyan military forces not to obey the Libyan leader’s orders to fire at Libyan protesters.

In a live interview on Al Jazeera satellite channel on Monday, al-Qaradwai said whoever can fire a bullet at Qadhafi should do so.

He further called on the Libyan people to unite in the face of oppression.

130 posted on 04/02/2011 7:55:39 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam...but I repeat myself.)
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