Posted on 03/28/2011 6:04:06 AM PDT by chopperman
You are misinformed again. There was no such legislation.
You are very good at inserting words into my mouth. I said nothing of the nonsense you just claimed I said.
I absolutely want people to get to the bottom of Obama’s birth certificate!
However, THERE IS NOTHING YOU OR I CAN DIRECTLY DO ABOUT IT!
Wasting our energy getting our guts in an uproar over this is a waste of time.
I’m suggesting people channel that energy into getting good conservatives elected.
You apparently disagree with this so deeply that you’re calling me a troll, a n00b, and telling me to sit down and shut the hell up.
Pray tell, what SHOULD we be doing if not supporting conservative candidates? Wringing our hands?
I see. So stating facts makes me an Obot?
What I posted was a fact, BTW. McCain showed his BC neither to Congress nor to any court, nor to any election official.
LOL. Are you serious? If I had a nickle for every time Trump made an ass of himself, I'd be as rich as he is.
LOL. Not even birther king Joe Farah of WorldNutDaily thinks that photoshopped Kenyan BC is real!
Why isn’t Lucas Smith in the federal pen for floating the Kenyan BC?
I'm not sure what he did was a crime. Even if it were, I can see why no prosecutor would waste his time on it. Prosectuors don't have the time or resources to prosecute every violation of the law.
I state a fact that refutes what someone else said before, and then you call me an idiot. That's what I get for talking with crackpots.
Or - Trump has business interests in Chicago, thinks Rahm’s gonna win, and wants to protect his ass from being targeted by Rahm as mayor.
He also like hillary and hillarycare.
This is simply your interpretation of the Presidential eligibility clause of the Constitution and certainly not a fact as you try to state it as. Just simply your opinion.
Myself I absolutely hold the opinion that the term ‘natural born citizen’ was intended to mean having two American citizen parents at birth. I have read much of the arguments that claim so and also much of the arguments that claim that it does not. Up to now at least I have been more convinced by the arguments claiming dual citizenship at birth to make someone ineligible.
Even by using just simple common sense anyone could agree that allowing someone with dual citizenship and dual loyalties to other nations to be dangerous to a nation for the position of President.
Obama of course even showed his loyalty to Kenya by illegally going over there as Senator to campaign and influence their Presidential election.
Then of course there is also the issue of his possible Indonesian citizenship as well and the issue of his real name.
The issue should have been heard in Court and so it is also a travesty in my opinion that the Courts have denied hearing any of the cases so far.
Reasonable to whom? If there is such a iron clad case to claim that Obama was born in Hawaii then why would he send lawyers to try and prevent discovery from being granted and the case to be heard?
Besides even if Obama was born in Hawaii the case should be heard as to whether he is eligible being that he was born with dual citizenship.
Actually it is you who are misinformed in regards to McCain’s ‘natural born citizen’ status challenged.
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=127362
McCain presented his long-form birth certificate to the Senate and tesitified, he released it to the press as well, and a non-binding resolution was passed that was even co-sponsered by Obama and Clinton.
No he did not. The WorldNutDaily article you linked to is simply wrong, and that wouldn't be the first time that website was wrong.
Any person with a grasp of basic logic.
If there is such a iron clad case to claim that Obama was born in Hawaii then why would he send lawyers to try and prevent discovery from being granted and the case to be heard?
He hasn't.
It also happens to be the opinion of every court that has ruled on the matter.
Myself I absolutely hold the opinion that the term ‘natural born citizen’ was intended to mean having two American citizen parents at birth.
The courts disagree.
No the WND article is not wrong. You are wrong. The article even links article after article about the challenge to McCain’s eligibility and differing opinions on the meaning of the term ‘natural born citizen’
I could easily even post McCain’s long form bc as I have before being that he released it during this challenge.
Again you offer nothing but now even want to claim yourself to have a grasp of logic when you do not.
And again you are wrong because Obama has had lawyers fight this issue in Court.
The Court has not ruled on the merits of the case. So again you are flat out wrong. Discovery has never been granted. The arguemnts of the case has never been heard by a Court.
So you are now showing that you are talking complete BS.
Just because something is a bad idea doesn't mean it is contrary to the Constitution. In fact, most bad ideas are perfectly constitutional. In such cases, the best way to prevent bad ideas from becoming reality is to use the ballot box. So if someone running for president is a current active dual citizen of another country, the best way to keep him from becoming president is to vote against him.
Not that any of this applies to Obama, who he lost his dual citizenship with Kenya nearly 30 before he ran. Furthermore, he was never an active dual citizen, in that he never held a Kenyan passport, never voted in their elections, etc. I still voted against him, though, for other reasons.
I'd also say that I wouldn't hold dual citizenship against a candidate who is a current dual citizen, but who never acted upon it. For example, Italy recognize first-generation US-born Italian-Americans as dual citizens. If such a person never bothered to get an Italian passport and never voted in an Italian election, I most certainly wouldn't mind if such a person became president.
Then find a credible source to corroborate it.
I could easily even post McCain’s long form bc as I have before
What you have posted is a fake document, submitted into evidence by a Fred Hollander who was suing to get McCain disqualified from the GOP primary. The document was repudiated and confirmed a fake by McCain's lawyers. You can find it among the lawsuit documents here:
http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/hollanderv.mccain.php
As I already pointed out, I would argue that Obama’s trip to Kenya whereas he illegally violated the Logan Act and actively was involved in campaigning in the Kenyan election was an affirmation of his loyalty to Kenya as a dual citizen.
And I did not claim that my statement about using common sense was a means to determine the Constitutionality of the term ‘natural born citizen’ but was simply pointing out that the definition that many argue is the correct legal one also makes complete common sense as well.
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