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Well, I guess they couldn't get any mileage out of the VAT tax...

But, seriously, how do you think they going to tax your mileage? I'll tell you how, they are going to keep track of you via a GPS unit installed in your car!

Now, I'm no Constitutional scholar like Our Dark Overlord, but that sounds to me like it might just infringe upon the 4th Amendment...

1 posted on 03/24/2011 4:37:46 PM PDT by DoctorBulldog
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if they think the never-ending outcry about Obamacare has been fun, just let ‘em try this!


87 posted on 03/24/2011 6:14:24 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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So here we are, looking at a mileage tax. It’s very emotional, since it squarely attacks one of our major freedoms in the US, which is the ability to get in our cars and drive around without ANYONE knowing what we’re doing. We can even drive cross-country and it’s likely that no one will know we ever left home, if we pay cash the whole way and stay clear of places (like motels) where they require ID. So, I want to take a calm and measured look at this.

In my case, based on my income (assuming, of course, it continues), my debts (very small, just a house payment at 20% of my take-home, and my cash at hand (plenty), I figure that I can pay whatever tolling rates they want, without barely noticing. And, if they did implement this scheme, it would almost certainly clear the roads of traffic, something that I would like (although others would have a tough time affording to drive on those clear roads - after all there is a reason why they’d be clear). In other words, from a purely selfish standpoint, I should support this scheme...but I don’t.

So why not? In a perfect world, where Atlas DOESN’T have to shrug and where everyone acted as finely tuned robots, nothing could be better than pricing road travel to assure the exact same level of traffic at 4:30 in the morning as 4:30 in the afternoon...and the same traffic at 5 AM Sunday, as 5 PM Friday. We would simply get the best use out of our roads. That is why this idea sits well at CATO and Heritage...where very well-paid, pointy-headed guys simply want to be able to drive home after work without having to “fight the traffic”. But, of course, it’s not that simple.

So, let’s step back and look at why we might want to impose a Vehicle Mileage Tax (VMT). I can think of several reasons:

1) There are two many cars on the road at a given time (i.e., rush hour).

2) We are importing too much oil.

3) We are not collecting enough revenue to fix and expand our roads.

4) People are driving cars that are too big

5) We are emitting too much carbon

6) Driving without restrictions simply represents too much freedom for a modern, progressive, society.

7) We want to sell-off our roads to someone with lots of cash, to pay down the national debt.

So, you step back and try to figure out how to address the above and look at the options.

Option 1: Increase revenue enough enough money to keep up with highway needs

Option 2: Increase revenue enough to seriously cut down on road travel and provide extra money for social programs.

Option 3: Control the movements of people, and allow those movements to be monitored...also pay back debts to other countries.

You find that an increase of the gas tax will help with everything except #6 and #7, which is controlling freedom and paying our debts. Even with a high gas tax, people will still drive where they want, when they want. If money is just needed for highway repair and expansion, an increase of the gas tax of, maybe, 25 to 50 cents per gallon will easily cover it. If we want to cut way back on imported oil, then 2 to 4 dollars per gallon of tax increase will cover it. That same increase (2 to 4 dollars per gallon) will also provide PLENTY of revenue to repair and expand highways...and the expanding part will not even be necessary with fuel prices that high (i.e., there will be a LOT less driving).

So we come down to #6 and #7. #6 (i.e., monitoring of peoples’ movements) is obvious - once you have GPS, then THE G-MAN will know where you are at any time. For #7, you’re getting into how to payback our creditors (mainly the Chinese and Japanese, but also much of Europe and US banks). The idea is that once a mileage-based tolling system is in place, the revenue can be sent overseas and our banks...which may prevent WW3 (particularly after we finish disarming). The amount of money that can be generated...if priced for maximum revenue, is likely 30 to 50 cents per mile (average)...or close to a trillion dollars per year.

To be honest, I have no clue what the long-term intentions are, I only look at what COULD be done.

Needless to say, this crap needs to be stopped PRONTO, as we have much better options than giving government control over where we drive, what we drive, and when we drive.


91 posted on 03/24/2011 6:23:18 PM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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I had to keep checking if this was satire..

They are killing us, I almost can’t breath anymore!


93 posted on 03/24/2011 6:28:04 PM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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“I’ll tell you how, they are going to keep track of you via a GPS unit installed in your car! “

GPS jammers will be all the rage then or at least a good hammer will take care of the thing.


94 posted on 03/24/2011 6:29:03 PM PDT by CapnJack
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98 posted on 03/24/2011 6:34:14 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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“Let me be clear”: Confiscation is always a viable option for revenue enhancement.


107 posted on 03/24/2011 6:53:59 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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“Let me be clear”: Confiscation is always a viable option for revenue enhancement.


108 posted on 03/24/2011 6:54:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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Looks like the CBO is ready to shut this economy (what’s left of it) down real good.


110 posted on 03/24/2011 6:58:42 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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The government at its true Goodfellas best.

Want to drive a big, gas-guzzling SUV because you prefer them? F you, pay me.

Want to drive a small hybrid or electric car because you care about the environment and/or want to save money? F you, pay me.

112 posted on 03/24/2011 7:14:49 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views, beyond the comprehension of the weak-Adams)
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We need to eliminate every last bit of Leftist influence to the course of our Nation since day one, and especially since the Woodrow Wilson era.

Hit the reset button, but NOT Hillary’s.


113 posted on 03/24/2011 7:22:33 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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One very important aspect of Communist States is LIMITING MOVEMENT of citizens.

The TSA Scan & Grope program has this same effect (among others). Individual movements could be tracked, but they won’t be — unless you are already a “person of interest” to the State. Limiting movement has the effect of limiting the spread of information and ideas, and preventing groups of like-minded individuals from gathering (or “community organizing”). Limiting the mobility of the populace is as much a tenet of running a totalitarian state as limiting the flow of information, the flow of wealth, or the flow of food.


114 posted on 03/24/2011 7:28:11 PM PDT by PENANCE
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as well as the pros and cons of mandating the installation of this technology in all vehicles.

Hmmm... sounds like the mandate that we have to buy health insurance. I doubt this will go anywhere fast. I don't see the House Reps going along with this.

116 posted on 03/24/2011 7:53:15 PM PDT by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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sfl


119 posted on 03/24/2011 9:14:29 PM PDT by phockthis
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120 posted on 03/24/2011 9:17:13 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Bring back the horse and buggys. I’m sure they’ll find a way to tax that, too.


121 posted on 03/24/2011 9:18:29 PM PDT by mrspeelwerneeded (m)
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yup, cause simply adding more taxes on a gallon of gas won't let them track us...
122 posted on 03/24/2011 9:19:26 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Some idiot the other day was purposing a 10 cent per roll tax on TP.


128 posted on 03/25/2011 6:31:47 AM PDT by GailA (2012 rally cry DEMOCRATS and RINOS are BAD for the USA!)
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is this the hill, or the onion ???

do these disconnected fools realize how much tension is apt to be released with this kind of BS ???

control food and movement, sounds like what i would plan if I were trying to keep my slaves on the plantation...

on the bright side, being a wrench turner could make me $illions in disabling this junk science/tech...

133 posted on 03/25/2011 8:32:50 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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I am getting so sick of the plunder. This tyranny has got to stop.


136 posted on 03/25/2011 9:42:25 AM PDT by bbernard
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The insurance industry already has GPS installed on every new vehicle in the USA. That way the can tell how fast you were driving when you had an accident ..

*SHHHHH**** don;t tell anybody it’s a secret.


139 posted on 03/25/2011 2:34:08 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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