Posted on 03/23/2011 11:33:29 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
Radley Balko needs to learn a bit more about pro-RKBA
groups other than the NRA, which now supports “reasonable”
gun laws, including registration. Gun registration is
a necessary condition for confiscation, which would involve
more raids, SWAT and otherwise. Off the top of my head,
David Hardy has written about the one of the biggest
law enforcement atrocities, Waco, and also has the site
Arms and the Law about the 2nd Amendment/RKBA.
The best solution I’ve seen anywhere is a comment at
The Agitator early this month (March 2011) by one “supercat”
who suggested that the reasonableness of a search be
made an issue for the jury. IANAL. I don’t know how current
precedent or established law would stack up agains this
idea. However given that current police practice strongly
suggests that the law as it stands is pernicious, a change
might be in order.
Tom Jefferson was dead on target in his opinion of large cities being detrimental to liberty.
Thanks for posting. I am an NRA-ILA volunteer and I sent this to my contact at the NRA.
1st they couldn’t be bothered to do the minimum sureveillance to ensure with certainty their perp was even home?
What if their grandfather had been there babysitting the kids and reached for a weapon out of fear for his family and his life?
He very well might be dead and the victim of Sheer and Complete, Incompetent, Stupidity that required a conscious act of ignorance and a total disregard for another human being’s life.
What if the kid went for the gun?
These violent and dynamic entries should not be used on 99% of all their targets.
Too often they turn out to be mistaken identity, the wrong home and dogs dead.
This BS is happening to innocent more and more and it has to end.
There is nothing stopping them from picking up a perp on the street. They’ll tell you it’s safer this way but the FBI waits you out and then does just that. Takes you down on the street.
They aren’t interesting in seeing what’s behind door number 2 when they can see the trophy in plain view and daylight.
I think of the mayor in Maryland whose home was broken into and their dog shot. The whole thing was a case of sloppy police work and mistaken identity.
It’s unnecessary and no longer acceptable as Standard Operating Procedure.
STOP.
BTW, how could they not tell the woman in the picture was of age? Just a hunch and that’s all they need to damage your property, injure you, kill your dog or even accidentally kill you?
Under Color of Law which has immunity from mistakes?
Unreal.
Welcome to Amerika...
I left Amerika 20 years ago when I left Oklahoma.
I live in Kahleefohrneeyah
That’s just scary.
In one instance the police fired 39 rounds into a house with 3 small children in it.
“... I am an NRA-ILA volunteer...”
Is NRA-ILA aware of Chuckie Schumer’s latest bill to prohibit gun rights for folks who have been arrested on drug charges, but not proscecuted or found not guilty during the last five years?
JC
Hello. >:*3 It's an idea I've suggested often. I've never read anything that would suggest that courts have acknowledged defendants' rights to put such matters before a jury, but I'm not really sure what constitutionally-sound argument would exist against it. If a jury would find a search was unreasonable, it should regard the search as illegitimate in any determinations it makes. Likewise if a jury would find that the particular facts surrounding a defendant's criminal act would mean a particular punishment would be cruel and unusual, imposition of such a punishment would be illegitimate.
To argue that a jury should not ignore pro-state evidence that it determines was gathered illegitimately, or should not acquit in cases where doing otherwise would result in someone suffering cruel and unusual punishments, would imply that a jury should not be trusted with those factual determinations. If a judge is allowed to substitute his own factual determinations for those of a jury, the concept of a jury trial becomes meaningless.
Perhaps legislatures should simplify a jury's task by replacing all the various defined crimes with one, "doing something illegal", whose penalties range from a $5 fine to execution. Rather than having to convince the jury the defendant did some particularly heinous act, it should merely have to show the defendant did something illegal. Once the defendant has been found guilty of "doing something illegal", the judge could then decide what the defendant actually did and sentence him accordingly.
Don’t be getting uppity there, Citizen. What you suggest comes awfully close to jury nullification.
Judges have been advising juries for years that it isn’t their job to put a value of reasonableness on the law a defendant stands accused of breaking; nor are they to concern themselves with the karmic rightness/wrongness of the punishment that may ensue as a product of their verdict.
Unfortunately, a lot of well-meaning people sitting in the jury box have been swallowing hard and taking the judge at his or her word. Lotta dumb ones too, of course.
No rush, just whenever you have the time to read this one. Some interesting bits along with the denial of governmental immunity for the decisions that led to this raid.
Incredible that nobody died. This mother is obviously prepared to defend her family, yet the best training in the world doesn’t account for leaving the friggin doors unlocked.
“After the SORT squads were inside the house, they repeatedly identified themselves as law enforcement officers executing a search warrant. “
....because no run-of-the-mill criminal has or would EVER make the same claim....
(Do I really need a sarc tag?)
“yet the best training in the world doesnt account for leaving the friggin doors unlocked.”
Some people still leave their doors unlocked during the day. Apparently she hadn’t gotten around to locking them for the night yet.
Regardless, it was the job of the cops to KNOCK and produce their warrant before entering, not to act like thieves in the night and unlawfully enter.
Imagine how scared her kids must be now. These SWAT raids are a great way to convince kids that “cops are your friends”.
I’m surprised CATO doesn’t have this case on its map for WV.
Point taken.
When you have to lock your doors “in case the cops show up,” it’s a messed-up world.
LEOs are well aware that concealed license holders passed a criminal background check in order to get the state to at least partially recognise(!) their 2A rights. Rather than heave a sigh of relief and knock on the door like civilised human beings, they went in hard.
You kind of expect that mentality from limp-wristed libs, but it’s apparent the cops involved don’t realise they’re ALREADY surrounded by law-abiding gun owners with more forebearance than they deserve. Militarized LEOs treating the taxpaying great unwashed as the enemy have gotta go.
Jury nullification occurs when juries put themselves above the law. Sometimes that is a right and proper thing for a jury to do, but it is nonetheless a form of anarchy. What I am calling for is for jurors to put the law above the desires of totalitarian anarchist judges.
There seems to be more than a few cases missing.
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