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To: aces; Mr Rogers

I don’t understand this pre-occupation with Israel. I’m a Christian too and I support Israel’s right to exist. But - I get the feeling that some people seem to almost deify the country and use it as a “rubber stamp” to elicit approval for whatever it is they’re supporting.

For instance, if military action can some way benefit Israel then we should send our children off to war. I don’t understand that.

And I’ve heard the Scripture quoted about blessing Abraham. But - since 1948, we’ve supported Israel, giving them military hardware, going to war in part to support them and bankrolling them, where is the US now? The US is virtually bankrupt, our cities are littered with dangerous no-go zones, the gov is out of control, divorce rate is high, Christians have been pushed to the back of the buss, US demographics show the US will turn into a 3rd world non-Constitutional entity in 25 years, etc.

Why is it that just about every major US politician “has to” go to Israel first before they run for President or even the Senate I suppose? Why not visit Poland or Austria?

As far as I can remember, it appeared Jesus was especially impressed with the faith of the Roman (Italian). I think we have to look at Jesus as transnational, I don’t think you can say Jesus = Israel or any country. Am I wrong or missing something here?


28 posted on 03/22/2011 7:44:58 AM PDT by MrInvisible
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To: MrInvisible

I understand your point of view, The Jewish society at the time did not treat Christ to well, but when God makes promises, he keeps them..and so that is the basis of my post..I believe that when countries choose not to help Israel, they choose a losing cursed side..just my point of view , respect yours..


29 posted on 03/22/2011 8:04:12 AM PDT by aces
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To: MrInvisible
For instance, if military action can some way benefit Israel then we should send our children off to war. I don’t understand that.
I'm a Jew and a revisionist-Zionist and find that argument silly. We should go to war based on our interests, not that of Israel. To often politicians unwilling to make a case of US interest or oil interest will make it about Israel. Those who do so are not friends of Israel.

And I’ve heard the Scripture quoted about blessing Abraham. But - since 1948, we’ve supported Israel, giving them military hardware, going to war in part to support them and bankrolling them, where is the US now? The US is virtually bankrupt, our cities are littered with dangerous no-go zones, the gov is out of control, divorce rate is high, Christians have been pushed to the back of the buss, US demographics show the US will turn into a 3rd world non-Constitutional entity in 25 years, etc.
The US imposed an arms embargo on Israel in 1948, while the Arabs had US arms. The US did not really sell weapons to Israel until after 1967. I can't think of an instance where the US has gone to war for Israel and not US interest, and it has always cost Israel.
While I agree with much of the rest here, God gives us free will to elect evil, mendacious and stupid leaders and to let evil greedy swine define our culture. You want to see protection? The Cascadia subduction zone has not given us a major earthquake in 250 years. The New Madrid fault line in the Mississippi gave us an earthquake in 1806, not 1900 or 2000. Yellowstone has not erupted.

Why is it that just about every major US politician “has to” go to Israel first before they run for President or even the Senate I suppose? Why not visit Poland or Austria?
Because a lot of American Protestants care about Israel. I'd like to see them go to Poland.

37 posted on 03/22/2011 12:11:32 PM PDT by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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