[P-Marlowe]

Then, in the absence of the plane going into a flat spin, how do you explain a flat belly down crash landing with no evidence of forward motion.

[Mr Rogers]

That was my question. Maybe a hydraulic loss, they tried to limp back to the coast, going slower in prep for a possible ejection, then a total loss of hydraulics (which means no flight controls) so eject...the plane enters a flat spin without them.

I don’t know. I just found the picture of the crash site unusual. I’d have expected either a hole or a furrow...

[Zuriel]

**with no evidence of forward motion.**

You mean kinda like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMxXHY1f8Xk&feature=related