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Never heard of RT before but

‘The West is to be forgotten. We will not give them our oil’ - Gaddafi
RT ^ | March 17, 2011 | Staff

Posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 6:49:34 PM by fightinJAG

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi dismissed his Western partners in an exclusive interview to RT, saying he will give all the country’s oil contracts to Russia, China and India. “We do not believe the West any longer, that is why we invite Russian, Chinese and Indian companies to invest in Libya’s oil and construction spheres” Gaddafi told RT in an exclusive interview about how he sees the current situation in Libya and the international reaction to events there. "He condemned the Western powers, saying Germany was the only country with a chance of doing business with Libyan oil in the future. “We do not trust their firms – they took part in the conspiracy against us."

The Libyan leader also added that as far as he is concerned, the Arab League has ceased to exist since it stood up against his country.

According to Gaddafi, the recent upheavals in his country were a "minor event" planned by Al Qaeda that will soon end.

from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2692469/posts?page=12

Then from http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2692429/posts?page=1

To: Tailgunner Joe Make no mistake about this. The libya air war is a direct attack on what was shaping up to be yet another Chinese client state in oil country. Gaddafi was making the same mistake Saddam made pre 2003: preparing to give control of large in-ground oil reserves to the Chinese. Western oil contracts were already up for review and cancellation. The PRC was aggressively adding "technicians," pipelines, drilling rigs and oil concessions there.

Not to mention Chinese-supported Iranian outposts along the southern Libyan board funneling arms to guerrilla fighters seeking to overthrow Chad and Niger, where the Chinese have been trying to gain footholds.

This attack is a real setback for the Chinese, who have had sand kicked in their face once again without being able to do much about it. I suspect the only reason we were slow to institute the no-fly zone is that the Chinese had positioned a missile frigate in the line of fire, ostensibly to help evacuate the hundreds of Chinese nationals in Libya.

The question I have is: what carrot or stick was sued to get the Russians and Chinese to withhold use of their UN veto power so that the attack could proceed. Interestingly, China last week was allowed to buy in to a refining, petchem project in Saudi. Maybe that was the sop they have been offered for likely losing out on building massive 600kbd refinery in Egypt (for peanuts) now that Mubarak is on his way out.

Look where else we are rolling up two-bit tyrannies: Yemen and Syria, also heavily aligned with the Chinese through arms deals, if not much outright oil. Posters here who chafe at this military action as simply one of Obama's follies have no conception of the geopolitical stakes involved, the thorough-going involvement of the national security apparatus and the essential need to do something effective before you have Chinese boots on the ground.

That is what drove Bush's 2003 Iraq invasion (since UN sanctions would have been lifted at the end of that year, allowing the Chinese to garrison the Al Adab and Halfaya fields there). Without a doubt, President Obama has been a bystander in this matter. Frankly, it is way above his pay grade.

It is interesting that in 2009, Gaddafi intervened to stop the Chinese (CNPC) from buying Canadian independent Verenex, which had found several large oil fields in Western Libya near Tunisia in the Ghadames Basin. I suspect he was worried that allowing that deal to go through might have brought Washington down on his neck then. Libyan state ownership of Verenex, though, might be merely a way of laundering that oil into the hands of the Chinese, who now count Libya as one of their largest crude suppliers, surpassing Angola (which has cooled to Chinese inroads).

8 posted on Monday, March 21, 2011 7:05:17 PM by Tenega

Then Butterdezillion's take: where Soros the money-man comes in

I do believe there are threats. But I don’t believe they began or end with Boehner. Soros has something he is holding over the heads of both the blue-dog democrats who have been falling on their swords in an unprecedented way for the past 2 years AND over the heads of even people who have proven their conservative mettle over the years, which can be seen most clearly by the way they allowed the scorched-earth congress even when there was no political price to be paid for resisting at that point.

The next election is 2 years away, and for most of them even farther than that. It was not politics that got them to give in. There is something more going on.

The more I see, the more I think Soros has this nation hostage under the threat of another run on the bank like the one that he and his Islamist allies orchestrated in September of 2008 to overcome Palin’s effect on the polls and get Obama elected.

As long as Obama is in office nothing serious will be done to get rid of our financial vulnerability. It is our financial vulnerability that keeps the judges and media quiet about Obama’s eligibility and keeps Congress from doing anything to fix the mess.

It’s a vicious circle Soros has us in. He’s shown the leaders that he has the power to break our economy. He says if we don’t let Obama stay in power he will pull the trigger. If we leave Obama in power he will kill America’s infrastructure and make sure that Soros keeps his power to break our economy.

We are in a huge, huge mess. The republicans had the biggest landslide in this country’s history, and for the 2 months of lame-duck Congress after that landslide R’s gave away everything including the kitchen sink. We are not dealing with normal electoral politics. That should be clear to everybody.

35 posted on Saturday, March 19, 2011 11:11:34 AM by butterdezillion