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To: TheBigIf
Also a FACT: Almost ALL of the records of Obama’s past have been sealed and he is using personal and taxpayer paid lawyers to keep these documents from being released.

So which documents has Obama refused to disclose that other presidents disclosed voluntarily?

Also a FACT: Obama went to primary school in Indonesia under a different name (Barry Soetoro) and was listed on a form found by the AP to be an Indonesian citizen.

It was a registration form from a PRIVATE school, and hence carries no legal weight.

To this day Obama has never answered any question as to whether he was adopted and whether he was an Indonesian citizen.

None of which has any relevance to his eligibility.

Also a FACT: Obama on his own campaign website claimed to have dual citizenship at birth thus he is not a natural born citizen by standards used many times throughout history to define the term.

That is not a fact, but your personal legal opinion with which every judge and justice who has ruled on the matter disagrees.

Also a FACT: McCain was forced to provide his long-form birth certificate by democrats and for Congress to approve his eligibility though a double-standard exists in the case of Obama.

That is simply not true. McCain never released any birth certificate, be it long form or short, to Congress, and he hasn't made any public. Nor did anyone in Congress ever demand to see it.

Also a FACT: Documents exist showing that the Pelosi and the DNC intentionally omitted the words ‘natural born citizen’ from the certification to the States in reference to Obama (with the exception of Hawaii), thus two different certification documents exist and no explanation for this has been given.

There's a very simple explanation: different states have different documents. Duh.

171 posted on 03/21/2011 5:42:08 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

First off the question was whether there were any facts that should make people question his eligibility and I have named numerous ones as did the post right before mine.

Secondly you then shift the question again to whether any President has voluntarily produced documents without being asked which is meangingless in this case because Obama has been compelled over and over to release these documents but instead lawyers to Court to keep them sealed. These documents include all of his school records, his long form birth certificate, and virually every document pertaining to his past.

McCain was asked to produce his long-form birth certificagte and did in fromt of Congress and there are many news articles about it as well as copies of his long-form all over the internet.

I could even produce video of democrat Chuck Shumer demanding that McCain release all of his records if he wants to run for President.

And the record that you claim is meaningless legally is evidence that Obama was adopted, his name legally changed, and became an Indonesian citizen. Is it proof? No? But these issues deserve to be raised and deserved to be answered.

And is laughable and absurd for you to say that whether or not Obama is using his real legal name or was an Indonesian citizen have no bearing on his eligibility for President. It is not only laughable but completely anti-the rule of law.

And it is a fact that historically there is a large amount of evidence that someone born with a non-American citizen parent and who has dual loyalities is not a natural born citizen. That is a FACT.

And there is no simple explanantion as to why the DNC under Pelosi changed the document they normally used to remove the term ‘natural born citizen’. The only explanation is that they knew that Obama was not one.


182 posted on 03/21/2011 7:47:39 PM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: curiosity
You seem a reasonable fellow. I am a reasonable fellow, too.

Other reasonable fellows resident in Hawaii can absolutely tell you that it was common practice in Hawaii to register foreign born children as "born in Hawaii."

All that was required was the statement of witnesses affirming "Home Birth." It is well known that many children, particularly from the Philippines, China, and Japan were routinely issued Hawaiian Birth Certificates on the say-so of relatives claiming "Home Birth." Google up some Hawaiian court clerks, attorneys, hospital officers, county registrars, etc. and ask them!

Whereas a Hawaiian car title, or dog license from the 1900s to the 60's has an excellent chance of being genuine, a Birth Certificate from that long period can offer no iron-clad guarantees!

Furthermore, birth in Hawaii, which is possible, would only make Obama (if that's his present legal name) a Native-Born Citizen, Not a Natural Born Citizen. It is the cases for clarification of this point (i.e., Does Native = Natural?) which the courts have refused to hear on the merits.

It is my feeling that this point will not be cleared up as long as Obama is in office. Of course, no matter what any court decided, the only way he could be removed is by Impeachment in the House and Conviction in the Senate.

Of course there is also something very wrong here. You, and the GOP, insist that those who are asking the questions should put their time and energy elsewhere. What you are saying is that it is not worth the trouble, because he will be in office for the next two years anyway.

The Constitution is worth the trouble. That really has little to do with Obama. These questions must be answered, not avoided.

189 posted on 03/21/2011 10:04:15 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. But it cannot survive with the kind of people who would vote for him.)
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