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To: ken5050; Liz
Madoff was not acting alone. But these kind of schemes on a smaller scale are peddled all the time and resonate even with people who "should have known" better, but apparently "turned the blind eye" seduced by the whiff of "rare opportunity" / "privileged access" / "inside information"...

Recently sentenced mini-Madoff Kenneth Starr (not that Ken Starr, but the the money manager of some the Hollywood actors, producers and celebrities) ran a long $59M Ponzi scheme. R. Allen Stanford allegedly ran a $7B Ponzi scheme of "safe" CDs with more than 7% returns.

Even more "curious case" is Kenneth Wayne McLeod of Jacksonville, FL who ensnared hundreds of current or former law enforcement agents from FBI, DEA, IRS, ICE in his $43M Ponzi scheme running for over 20 years:

From Hundreds of Federal Agents Fall Victim to Ponzi Scheme - AOL, 2010 July 08

Oh, and because he was "investing in government bonds", these returns were also "safe" and "tax-free". His MMF, F&S Asset Management Group, was legitimate, but his "special bond" operation was basically an equal opportunity affinity fraud.

McLeod was described as a "charmer" who was using his reputation, familiarity and name-dropping to other federal agents, including boasts of his "best friend, Bob" (FBI Director Robert S Mueller) and his wife staying at his place on their vacations. The scammed federal employees were in GS-13/GS-14 wage brackets.

He also scammed clients that he met through charity work and non-profit groups that help families of agents killed in the line of duty.

More details here:
From Wayne McLeod: The Life and Death of a Mini-Madoff
He gave seminars, handled investments, and ran a Ponzi scheme for an unlikely group: law enforcers
Niche-Market Madoff Duped Law Enforcement Agencies in Ponzi With a Twist
- RGM/BW, by Robert Schmidt, 2010 September 02

Just like Madoff who, having been "investigated" a few times by the SEC acting on tips, had the cover and was able to brag about "clean bill of health" of his operation.

11 posted on 03/20/2011 7:39:45 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy; Liz
CP, you always provide goods source material and inciteful analysis, but with respect, in this this I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

Madoff's scam was totally different from the examples you cite in several key ways:

1. Madoff was dealing with sophisticated investors and financial institutions. His false statements had to be able to withstand a far higher degree to inspection.

2.Madoff had thousands of clients, and EACH one of them had literally thousand of transactions..stock buys and sells AND option strategies EACH month. And because it was all fake, they had to make sure that the stock price was accurate for the date and TIME of each transaction. That's a staggering degree of data and complexity.

3. When the first reports of the fraud came out, much was made of the secretive offices, which no one could access, and the 20 year old IBM computer system, which supposedly handled all the data and produced the fake statements each month. That alone would seem to require a fair degree of computer savy, and programming ability, which no one as yet named in the investigation seems to possess.

I remain highly scepticle that this is a one o two person fraud. heck, Madoff would often be away from the office for weeks, even months at a time..galavanting around the world, yet each day the data monster had to be fed...

12 posted on 03/20/2011 7:59:26 PM PDT by ken5050 (Admin Moderators rule!!!!)
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