Posted on 03/13/2011 8:02:16 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is no money.
I'm amazed at the number of freepers who think government spending should be drastically cut -- just so long as they keep getting their own personal benefits. After all, they paid for 'em.
You got conned. We all did. I'm sorry. But there it is.
I call “cuckah”!
I’m ready to gut it all.
It’s not going to happen, we’re screwed I fear.
I’m ready to gut it all.
It’s not going to happen, we’re screwed I fear.
Defund all collectives. Let them live or die on their own. It’s 2011. Wake up.
I have friends whose granddaughter receives over $1,000/month in "benefits" from SS because her father died. She will receive this every month until she's 18 I believe. This will be far more than her father ever paid into the "system."
As for means testing, I'm totally opposed to that no matter how "rich" somebody may be.
I totally agree. Taxpayers are left on the hook with a promise of goodies for all. When we finally get to the head of the line, after the pols, bosses, end execs, we’ll all be in for a rude shock. Better to go ahead and shut down the ponzi-scheme ASAP.
There’s a sucker born every minute.
Well put. I have said similar things to the “I ‘paid in’ all my life” crowd. It all is going to collapse, perhaps sooner than later, depending on the bond market.
I wish I could say I was surprised. It's the same reason Socialist Security hasn't been dealt with for decades. It would be too much to expect a sudden turnaround. I'd be interested in seeing the demographics on the survey, specifically the male/female breakdown.
Virtually every poll reveals the same thing. Americans are extremely wedded to the social welfare state and even with the emergence of the Tea Party there is no fundamental shift in American attitudes to spending at all. In the abstract, Americans will generally say they support spending cuts - but when you ask them about cutting specific programs they will almost always oppose funding reductions.
Because paying into Social Security is mandatory I am not sure why it is considered an “entitlement” unless I misunderstand the usage of the word. To me an “entitlement” is welfare or other programs that one did not pay into. I do not see Social Security, Medicare or Veteran’s benefits to be entitlements, though I know politicians, media and many others do see them that way. I do understand that most people draw far more in benefits than they pay in, but what do the numbers look like if you factor in the interest you could have drawn over the same number of years if you had invested the money on your own? If the number is as a rule far more than what is paid in plus interest then I can understand how it could be at least a partial entitlement. As to Veterans benefits, that is a promise we made to Veterans when they agreed to serve and if we cannot afford the benefits then we need to quit making the promise.
Yep we’ve reached the tipping point where more Americans are on some type of “welfare” (including SS and medicare) than are not. Politically this means that there is no way they’ll be able to stop the printing presses. We are officially F’d, would recommend buying property in a foreign country because when we hit the wall this won’t be a very pretty place to live. If you can’t swing that then guns and food and some way to grow/hunt more would be a good thing. I’m not totally sold on the gold/silver thing, it may be a good hedge against the fed money printing machine but it may not as the paper market is heavily manipulated.
Government made a promise -- if they tax X number of dollars from your paychecks, later on in life, they will give you Y number of dollars every month for as long as you live. That's the promise that was made. People therefore feel "entitled" to receive that which was promised.
But here's the thing -- government lied. Government can't keep the promise.
So, although people think they "had a deal" and are "entitled" to receive monthly checks, it just isn't going to happen.
First of all means test Social Security, then review all of the SSDI recipients, how many want to stay drugged up and on SSDI instead of working. Make private insurance held by Medicare recipients the primary payer and Medicare secondary instead of giving private insurance nearly a free ride.
End all grants and awards for various BS, when we have grant writing classes going on all over the country, that is way out of hand. End non profit status period. Make non profits file tax forms at least as detailed as private forms, especially when they are dealing in tens of millions in income and assets.
While Social Security is a problem, it is not nearly as bad of a problem as Medicaid/Medicare. At least Social Security has been funded by those that receive it (at least part of it). I have no problem with limiting both Social Security payments and Medicare/Medicaid payments if that is needed or raising the age limit.
You should at least understand that many folks just get by on Social Security (very minimal monthly amounts) and the Medicare/Medicaid monies are not only much more but will have to be curtailed. So, the death panels will become a reality whether we want it or not... After all, who can justify some of these expenses for someone over say 80?
This will happen regardless of other changes - it will become much like European Countries regardless, because of elderly health care requirements. It just simply has to happen or we will bankrupt our young...
If we actually become so selfish as to continue on this path (selfish actions by the elderly), the future will be very dim.
Elections, demonstrations, fancy rhetoric and elections are all irrelevant. The US is broke, cannot ever pay its debts and will have to default. The USD will lose its status as the world’s reserve currency, and the bulk of the progressive social programs will simply have to be discontinued, because there will be no other choice. That’s reality, deal with it.
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