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Scramble to Avert Meltdowns as Two More Nuke Plants Overheat in Japan
verum serum ^ | 3/13/11 | John

Posted on 03/13/2011 12:24:55 AM PST by Nachum

From the Washington Post:

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said officials were acting on the assumption that a meltdown could be underway at that reactor, Fukushima Daiichi’s unit 3, and that it was “highly possible” that a meltdown was underway at Fukushima Daiichi’s unit 1 reactor, where an explosion destroyed a building a day earlier.

Hours before he spoke, authorities began evacuating more than 200,000 residents from a 12.5-mile radius around Fukushima Daiichi and another nuclear power complex, made preparations to distribute potassium iodide pills, and warned people in the vicinity to stay inside and cover their mouths if they ventured outdoors.

According to this CNN report, they have pumped sea water into reactor #1, which is a measure of last resort:

(Excerpt) Read more at verumserum.com ...


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: avert; bwr; fukushima; meltdowns; nuke; scramble
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Obama played golf today. That's how he helped as the world goes haywire.
1 posted on 03/13/2011 12:25:01 AM PST by Nachum
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What I want to know is HOW we’ll know if a pile of hot radioactive slag has burned through the containment vessel and started to burn into the ground.

Will we see another explosion? A plume of steam/smoke?

Will we see an actaul “China Syndrome”?


2 posted on 03/13/2011 12:30:39 AM PST by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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If it were to happen, you would see lots of smoke coming from the reactor location and perhaps a fire but not a lot more.

After that it depends on which way the wind blows...


3 posted on 03/13/2011 12:39:35 AM PST by DB
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With such a high water table, it would be more steam than smoke.

At Chernobyl, there was a blue lenticular cloud that hung over reactor #4 during the first night.


4 posted on 03/13/2011 12:44:51 AM PST by MindBender26 (Fighting the "con" in Conservatism on FR since 1998.)
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Would a pile of radioactive slag actually have the ability to burn through the Earth’s crust all the way to the mantle?

Or, was that hyperbole set forth from the movie?


5 posted on 03/13/2011 12:51:44 AM PST by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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To: Nachum

Maybe playing golf is the best thing he can do in this situation.

I don’t think there’s a need for a community organizer...do you?


6 posted on 03/13/2011 12:56:37 AM PST by dixiechick2000 ("First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." - Gandhi)
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To: hoagy62

My understand is when it hit the water table, the steam explosion would blow it apart and stop the reaction.


7 posted on 03/13/2011 12:57:52 AM PST by balch3
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understanding, that is.


8 posted on 03/13/2011 12:58:28 AM PST by balch3
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To: Nachum

His playing golf, might be a blessing for the world.


9 posted on 03/13/2011 1:00:42 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: hoagy62

The planet would then become a giant whistle..../s


10 posted on 03/13/2011 1:01:50 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Nachum

The bottom line is that the Left will make it harder to build nuclear plants in America. I still say we need to build more nuclear plants. Thorium reactors would be safer.


11 posted on 03/13/2011 1:21:44 AM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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It likely doesn’t matter what Obama does on a given day. He is a figurehead. At this point it is more important what his handlers were doing.


12 posted on 03/13/2011 1:25:16 AM PST by Soul of the South (When times are tough the tough get going.)
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“My understand is when it hit the water table, the steam explosion would blow it apart and stop the reaction.”

The chain reaction has stopped immediatley after the quack. This is not a nuclear reaction from a critical mass. What has occurred is that the fuel in the fuel rods are emitting alfa and beta particles. Due to short half life unstable elements that are created by the reactor when it is in operation. The beta and alpha particles creat heat. That is the reason it takes several days for a reactor to cool down,


13 posted on 03/13/2011 1:28:17 AM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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Nuclear power is going to be a damn hard sale now that a nuclear disaster has occurred in a highly industrialized nation.


14 posted on 03/13/2011 1:55:57 AM PST by trumandogz
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Obama played golf today. That’s how he helped as the world goes haywire.

And what do you want him to do? Seriously he is the President of the United States not President of Japan. It is bad enough that he sent over the Reagan. We have the Washington right there to help out. I am glad that he is playing golf. It might save us some more debt. I can just imagine him saying lets send over two trillion dollars to Japan to help them out.


15 posted on 03/13/2011 3:18:54 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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Nuclear power is going to be a damn hard sale now that a nuclear disaster has occurred in a highly

Yes it is. We can forget any “new” nuclear power in United States because of this. Maybe if Sarah becomes President, she MIGHT be able to sell it but I doubt even she could at this point. Thirty years from now might be a time to bring it up again.


16 posted on 03/13/2011 3:22:06 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: hoagy62
What I want to know is HOW we’ll know if a pile of hot radioactive slag has burned through the containment vessel and started to burn into the ground.

I think that what we're possibly witnessing is the media reinventing the definition of "meltdown" to mean any melting of material within the reactor vessel. From what I read yesterday, a portion of the fuel rods that extended above the cooling water level did melt on #1 reactor, which is why they released steam and are pumping sea water and boron into the containment structure.

17 posted on 03/13/2011 3:46:47 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Nachum
Perhaps someone much more informed on this issue (Nuclear Plants) can jump in and help clarify this for me.

Considering that Japan is at or close to, ground zero for major earth quakes and have minor one on a regular basis (I remember this from when I was stationed at Tachikawa in early 60's) and as the Japanese ain't exactly stoopid, why is it that there were not multiple, redundant, backup systems for just such an occurrence to include more than one generator and cooling source?

We have to know that regardless this WILL give the anti-nuke, echo-zealots ammunition and we can kiss any new licensing in this country goodbye for years, if not decades, to come.

18 posted on 03/13/2011 3:59:23 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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....backup systems for just such an occurrence to include more than one generator and cooling source?

In one description I read, they supposedly had three Diesel Generators where they only needed one. All three failed.

19 posted on 03/13/2011 4:12:21 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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According to a recent report, they are dumping seawater into reactor #1 because all the water injection systems were damaged when the top section of the secondary containment building exploded. Seawater is the ONLY means of cooling possible now for reactor #1. We are now hoping they can cool the reactor before the molten mass from partial meltdown eats through the vessel floor.
20 posted on 03/13/2011 4:16:33 AM PDT by justa-hairyape
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