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Father Frank Pavone: Release Baby Joseph's Medical Records!
Priests for Life ^ | 3/7/11 | Father Frank Pavone

Posted on 03/07/2011 9:37:43 AM PST by wagglebee

As I'm sure you know, the now-famous case of Baby Joseph in Canada is becoming critical. He could die in the next couple of weeks if his breathing tube is removed as the hospital and the government intend.

Baby Joseph is only 13 months old and often has difficulty breathing on his own. He needs a procedure called a tracheostomy in order to go home and live under his parents' care. However, the Canadian health care system is refusing to let the family take care of their son -- even though hospitals in the United States have privately said that they would take Joseph in and give him the tracheostomy he needs to survive. U.S. doctors and hospitals who are now familiar with the case are appalled that Baby Joseph hadn't received the tracheostomy 3 or 4 months ago rather than make the baby suffer all this time.

Baby Joseph's parents are pleading with the world for a hospital with the courage to step forward and accept their son for evaluation and treatment. Priests For Life has even agreed to supply medical air transport to and from the facilities. We will support the cost of the hospitalization and after-care including nursing. Home ventilators have also been donated to maintain Baby Joseph if needed.

There are U.S. physicians in Michigan willing to oversee Baby Joseph's outpatient care and assist in weaning him off the home ventilator should it be necessary.

We have yet to find one facility that said it would not perform the tracheostomy on Baby Joseph.

The real problem is that health care providers in the U.S. need Baby Joseph's medical records -- but the Canadian authorities are refusing to release them.

Therefore, I need your help to continue to contact the Canadian authorities so that a proper and humane solution to this problem can be found. We have recently discovered that Canadian law requires the hospital to release these records to Baby Joseph's parents upon request. And to date, they have refused.

This is what is preventing hospitals in the United States from being able to accept Baby Joseph. We need those medical records! And we need them now!

Therefore, I urge you to click here and send an email to the Canadian officials who oversee the London, Ontario hospital requesting that the medical records be released immediately.

We are continuing our search for a hospital in the United States to take Baby Joseph, and they won't do that without the records.

So please send an email to the Canadian authorities -- and at the same time say a strong prayer for Baby Joseph and his parents. Time is running out, so please act now.

Again all you need to do is click on this link and action can be taken in this life-or-death case.

And while you're on your computer, please forward this urgent email to everyone you know, and we may have a strong chance of saving Baby Joseph from a cruel death.

Fr. Frank Pavone
Nationail Director

 

P.S. There are currently many false reports and rumors in the media that Baby Joseph is in a persistent vegetative state. He's not. He's only 13 months old, and simply isn't getting the care he needs. Any baby would suffer if not given proper care. So please don't listen to the same kind of lies and distortions that caused Terri Schiavo's untimely death.

This is why it so important that the medical records are released so the truth can come out.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: josephmaraachli; moralabsolutes; prolife
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To: wagglebee

Exactly. Freedom to live and freedom to die in peace on your own terms. That’s all the family is asking.

This “discussion” regarding the costs to the Canadian government is sick. Live or die, he is a citizen and deserves to live and die with dignity. What is there, a nurse with a lethal injection waiting in the wings to kill him and save the expense of him dying on his own? Sounds like they are making all the choices here. The family has clearly stated they understand he will die, that his sister had the same thing and died at home. They know what is happening. Yet they are not allowed to make their own way in this. NO, the “government death panels” are wiser and will make this decision.

We can expect this intrusion in our own lives down the road, as we are headed to socialized medicine if we progress on this Obamacare track.


81 posted on 03/07/2011 5:17:38 PM PST by tioga
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To: Michel12; trisham; goat granny; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; Salvation; metmom; ...
Except that baby Joseph is a Canadian covered under Canada’s system which means that you have to talk about financial considerations as no private organization has covered anything for the moment. The cost has been the Canadian taxpayer’s.

That's because he's in a Canadian hospital you moron. His parents are among the taxpayers paying. ALL healthcare in Canada is paid for by the government and the citizens pay extremely high taxes.

And if there is need for home care it won’t be a private organization that will pay but again the Canadian taxpayer.

The home ventilator is already paid for and it was paid for PRIVATELY.

So speaking of private organization paying anything is a red herring in this case. Up to now, the only organization who has paid for baby Joseph’s care is the Canadian government.

The government will not release his records and has not released him from the hospital.

Private funds HAVE paid for the home ventilator.

So speaking of private organization paying anything is a red herring in this case.

You couldn't possibly be more wrong.

Baby Joseph’s family has not renounced the right to be treated free by the state to my knowledge, so the state has a say in his treatment.

They have asked for his records, as is their right, so they can bring Baby Joseph to America.

82 posted on 03/07/2011 5:19:40 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Michel12

Oh, bull. I know families who have children on trachs and have to care for them. The parents will be trained to do the day to day care. They may be supervised by a nurse, but they will be alone with him. They have already done this with his sister, who died at home from the same disease. This is a temporary thing, as no one is saying he can live forever. They simply want the right for him to die at home with dignity. Time to say their goodbyes....to share life as a family.

I have no understanding at all of your desire to make those life and death decisions for them. Are YOU looking forward to the obamacare death panels intrusion into your family?


83 posted on 03/07/2011 5:22:04 PM PST by tioga
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To: wagglebee
They have asked for his records, as is their right, so they can bring Baby Joseph to America.

and have gotten the records (I linked to the article of the Windsor Post). After reading these records, the Michigan children hospital has refused to take baby Joseph because there was nothing they could do for him.

As to taking baby Joseph to America, then the question of who will pay is again upfront. Given that accepting baby Joseph is financially risky for any american hospital, I will be very surprised if any will accept.
84 posted on 03/07/2011 5:24:34 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Michel12

The nurse and respiratory therapist would spend a few hours setting up equipment and ensuring that the family is taught how to manage the trach and vent. Not a big deal at all, it’s done all the time.

As a mother, nothing I would ever need to do for my child would be too arduous.


85 posted on 03/07/2011 5:25:10 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: wagglebee
His parents are among the taxpayers paying.

Not according to the stories. His parents have left all work since he became sick.


86 posted on 03/07/2011 5:30:24 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Velveeta

All this wouldn’t be a problem if the family paid itself for these few hours (which would amount to thousand of dollars a year). But they don’t.

So I don’t see why spend money out of scarce government budgets for what is at the end, a lost cause. There is no money for all the care in the world. And I prefer the money to be spend on someone who has a chance of recovery.

What I find a bit funny is that all the tea party activists who rage against government spending don’t see that this is a case in point.


87 posted on 03/07/2011 5:34:22 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Michel12; trisham; goat granny; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; Salvation; metmom; ...
and have gotten the records (I linked to the article of the Windsor Post). After reading these records,

NO, the parents HAVE NOT been given the records and nothing you have posted suggests otherwise.

As to taking baby Joseph to America, then the question of who will pay is again upfront.

Are you really that dense? This has been covered.

Do you know who Father Frank Pavone is? What about the Schindlers, do you know who they are? Do you really think that people who can procure a private jet are unable to raise a few thousand dollars for a tracheotomy? The money is not a problem.

Given that accepting baby Joseph is financially risky for any american[sic] hospital,

Why don't you spell American with a capital A? I'm starting to think that your are an Obamabot who loves death panels and hates America.

As for your supposition, have you noticed that NONE of the articles you have found suggest that American hospitals are hesitant due to money?

Are you familiar with childrens' hospitals in America? They ALL take patients every day without consideration of cost and in the case of Baby Joseph that isn't even an issue.

88 posted on 03/07/2011 5:34:28 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Michel12

Good grief.......lots of parents take medical leave to care for dying infants. You are like a trainwreck.....I can’t help but monitor you on this thread. Do you aspire to be on a death panel yourself? Why would you want to batter this family into submission to big gov’s death panel decision? Here in America, we still get to make our own decisions on our health care. Death with dignity.......let the poor babe go home with mom and dad and be loved for awhile. What can it possible matter to you?


89 posted on 03/07/2011 5:37:44 PM PST by tioga
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To: Michel12
So from what you say is that if the tracheotomy is performed, the family will need expensive home care for baby Joseph... which will be provided by the Canadian government. This is what I have been saying.

NO - bless your heart, what I'm saying is caring for someone at home with a trach, is neither expensive nor arduous.

Long term home care isn't covered, so you needn't worry about your pocketbook.

The parents want to care for their child at home, themselves.

Just what on earth could be your problem with that?

90 posted on 03/07/2011 5:39:09 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: wagglebee


I know who Pavone is and I know who the Schindler are and I also know that words are easy, but when you pass at the cash then things change. I simply don't trust them on this. Words? No problem? Paying? Much more of a problem.

Procuring a private jet isn't very expensive... Maybe 10 000 $, depending on the destination... Having a sick kid in an hospital for say the 6 months that baby Joseph's sister lived with the tracheotomy may go up to hundred of thousand of dollars if not more.
91 posted on 03/07/2011 5:40:14 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Velveeta
His problem appears to be his blind adherence to death panels.
92 posted on 03/07/2011 5:40:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Velveeta
Long term home care isn't covered, so you needn't worry about your pocketbook.

It is in Ontario. Visiting nurses etc. are services provided under the Canada health plan I see you didn't investigate the Canadian programs...
93 posted on 03/07/2011 5:42:48 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Michel12; trisham; goat granny; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; Salvation; metmom; ...
I know who Pavone is and I know who the Schindler are and I also know that words are easy, but when you pass at the cash then things change. I simply don't trust them on this.

Of course you don't trust them, the culture of death despises them.

Procuring a private jet isn't very expensive... Maybe 10 000 $[sic]

, depending on the destination...

Which is more than double the cost of a tracheotomy.

Having a sick kid in an hospital for say the 6 months that baby Joseph's sister lived with the tracheotomy may go up to hundred of thousand of dollars if not more.

They want to take Baby Joseph HOME, the only one talking about a hospital is YOU.

94 posted on 03/07/2011 5:45:03 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
As for your supposition, have you noticed that NONE of the articles you have found suggest that American hospitals are hesitant due to money?

Of course they wouldn't say it... It isn't good for the public image. I can't believe you are so naive!

And yes, I am familiar with American hospitals and they act exactly as I said. They try to avoid at all costs non insured patients without means. They must take them in emergency care but if they can avoid taking them, they will.
95 posted on 03/07/2011 5:47:17 PM PST by Michel12
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To: Michel12

Unless you plan to murder this child, he will receive care from his parents at home or in the hospital....they want him OUT of the hospital. They want to take him home and let nature take it’s course. They want to love him and hold him for whatever time is left.

Yet you keep debating money and care that they don’t want. It boggles my mind that you pursue this line of debate. What part of him being alive riles you so much? Should he have been aborted in your opinion? Is he not “human” enough for you? Should all sick people be just “put down”? RME...


96 posted on 03/07/2011 5:48:38 PM PST by tioga
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To: Michel12; trisham; goat granny; BykrBayb; Lesforlife; EternalVigilance; Salvation; metmom; ...
Of course they wouldn't say it... It isn't good for the public image. I can't believe you are so naive!

So, the FACT that American hospitals have not raised the issue of money is supposed to be proof that it is the reason?

And yes, I am familiar with American hospitals and they act exactly as I said.

I didn't ask about American hospitals in general, I asked about childrens hospitals and they ALL accept patients without regard to money.

They try to avoid at all costs non insured patients without means.

Which IS NOT an issue with Baby Joseph.

97 posted on 03/07/2011 5:50:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Michel12
All this wouldn’t be a problem if the family paid itself for these few hours (which would amount to thousand of dollars a year).

WTF, where did you suddenly come up with "thousand of dollars a year"?

Tell you what, I'll pick up the tab for my flight, room, board, my time and get them all set up at home.

Any objections from you?

You can't possibly be a parent. If you were - you'd understand.

98 posted on 03/07/2011 5:51:13 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Michel12; wagglebee; Jim Robinson
I know who Pavone is and I know who the Schindler are and I also know that words are easy, but when you pass at the cash then things change. I simply don't trust them on this.

Again, this is a PRO-LIFE forum. Got it?

Having a sick kid in an hospital for say the 6 months that baby Joseph's sister lived with the tracheotomy may go up to hundred of thousand of dollars if not more.

His sister wasn't in a hospital. They're only asking for the same thing for him

Are you an American?

99 posted on 03/07/2011 5:52:52 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Michel12

So your concern is that it might cost you? Even though it’s been made completely clear that it won’t cost you? How does that work?


100 posted on 03/07/2011 5:52:53 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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