Then I waited foe the ice to melt.
The water level remained the same and the glass never overflowed.
Oy veh! Will SOMEBODY shut this guy up! He's ruining my scam!
Posted on 03/06/2011 9:19:47 AM PST by smokingfrog
*** Ice sheet structure far different than thought — complicating rising-sea scenarios ***
Knowing how the massive ice sheets atop Antarctica and Greenland work is key to predicting how global warming could raise sea levels and flood coastal cities. But a new study upends what scientists thought they knew. It turns out it’s not just ancient snow that makes up the ice sheets, but water deep under the sheets also thaws and refreezes over time.
To put it in non-scientific terms, lead scientist Robin Bell told msnbc.com, the study redefines "how squishy" the base of ice sheets can be. "This matters to how fast ice will flow and how fast ice sheets will change."
"It also means that ice sheet models are not correct," she said, comparing it to "trying to figure out how a car will drive but forgetting to add the tires. The performance will be very different if you are driving on the rims."
Reporting in this week's issue of the peer-reviewed journal Science, Bell and his team described how ice-penetrating radar peeled back two miles of ice a million years old in the center of Antarctica.
The images show that refrozen ice makes up 24 percent of an area known as Dome A, a 13,800-foot-high plateau roughly the size of California. Much of the sheet and refrozen ice lies atop an underground mountain range.
Ice from that area "drains into all the major ice shelves of Antarctica," the researchers wrote in their study. "Processes occurring in the Dome A region have the potential to affect the majority of East Antarctica."
While the field work was far inland, Bell believes the same will hold true along the edges of the icy continent. (cont.)
(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...
But much of the ice in Antarctica is on land - so those ice cubes still need to be added to your glass. Having said that, AGW is crap.
A real model would account for evaporation, yes. I think most would run off, the heat of vaporization for water is large compared to heat of fusion.
Once I had the ice cap math in a spreadsheet, I calculated how much energy it would take to deliberately melt all that ice. Assume we had it in a pot, or ran electric heating wires through the ice cap, how much energy?
Assume the ice is homogeneous and all at the same temperature and same specific heat, how much energy to get the calculated mass from -5 C to 0 C, then add in the phase change energy, then to go from 0 to 1C, was what I did (specific heat changes after the phase change). I won’t do it again here, it’s simple enough to replicate.
I got a very large number, something like twenty nuke plants running full bore for 20 years, to industrially melt the Greenland Ice Cap. It no longer seemed feasible to melt it by raising “global temperature” by a degree or two for twenty years.
There are a huge amounts of IF'S and MAY's and Could's in this article .... in other words what they were sure of is not true so MAYBE it is worse (or not)
This is not science,it is bending science to meet what you think
I was just funning ya.
Truth be told, life would cease to exist without C02
Somehow I think we are minor players in all this.
I try to breathe every day, to feed the trees.
Aww, your adding unwanted variable to my formula!
Al Gore left the sun out of his models.
Because you missed a step.
Try this: Build a tropical Island Paradise in the middle of the glass.
OOPS.... you need money first? Well, that's where the Global Warming Initiative comes in.
Good thinking.
We need funding!
Then I waited foe the ice to melt.
The water level remained the same and the glass never overflowed.
Oy veh! Will SOMEBODY shut this guy up! He's ruining my scam!
My goodness! Al is so hilarious!
It’s stunning that this guy was able to perpetrate such a hoax.
Your experiment proves that the melting of sea ice cannot cause sea levels to rise (indeed, though the effect is too small to not in your glass, it will cause a slight lowering of sea levels, as ice is less dense than water — hence it floats).
Ice pack on land melting is another matter. Were something to cause the whole planet to have a semi-tropical climate, the melting of the ice on Greenland and Antarctica (and even the glaciers on various mountain ranges at latitudes where lowlands are not particularly cold) would raise sea levels. The corresponding experiment to carry out in one’s kitchen would be to fill a glass with water, suspend a funnel with ice in it over the glass to simulate ice on land, but not in the sea, and wait for the ice to melt. I assure you the glass will overflow.
Speaking of Greenland, why is it called Greenland when it is covered with ice?
My goodness! Al is so hilarious!
It’s stunning that this guy was able to perpetrate such a hoax.
His C02/temp models were a joke.
If you take a sample point once a million years the resolution of the data is so low that you can conclude (if you believe) that temp is a function of C02.
If you increase the sample points it is clear that CO2 is a function of temperature.
Co2 levels clearly lag temperature, and that just makes sense. Warmer climates result in more plant life and higher levels of animal life resulting in higher levels of Co2.
There isn’t a plethora of life when there is an ice age going on.
Beyond all that, their own data shows that climate swings occurred long before the industrial age.
The notion that modern technology is the cause of climate change is laughable.
Until the ice sheets are gone I am not concerned with the Ice on land.
Medieval Warm Period Haunts Global Warming
http://www.nctimes.com/app/blogs/wp/?p=7465
http://www2.sunysuffolk.edu/mandias/lia/end_of_vikings_greenland.html
>>After all, the ANAGRAM for “Climate Change” is “Technical game”.
Please note that henceforth, “Climate Change” is outdated terminology. Going forward, we need to refer to Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration.
Thank you.
For the same reason that England has Streets names Vine and Vinyard.
You know, that place is world renowned for its vinyards.
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Here's what they KNOW for sure: the spigot for global warming 'grant cash' is starting to trickle and they want to prime the pump...
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