[MindBender26]

it is the man.

In the 60s, a Hawaiian Air National Guard F-86 pilot (the famous “HANG Man”) Would meet all the hot USN and USAF pilots enroute to SEA in their F-4s at 30,000 over Mana Loa.

In his old Sabre, the HANG Man never lost, and never took more than 55 seconds to get a gun kill on the kids.

One time, 4 squids in Phantoms tried him on, at once. He killed 3 in less than two minutes and the trailer called Bingo fuel!

[lowbuck]

In the 80’s I was up in Iceland and the AF still had F-4’s for the air defense. There was also an old T-33 that was supposed to be used for ACM, but, it was referred to as the “Phantom Fu***ker” as it could smoke them.

Now in a standoff fight the T-33 would have been toast, but, in close it must have really been a “scooter” to the big old F-4.