McCain Rejects Idea That U.S. Can’t Afford No-Fly Zone in Libya (McCain wants to intervene in Libya)

Fox ^ | 2011-03-02

[rabscuttle385]

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"We are spending over $500 billion dollars, not counting Iraq and Afghanistan, on our nation's defense. Don't tell me we can't do a no fly zone over Tripoli," the ranking member of the Senate Armed Services said at the Atlantic Council Tuesday evening.

"I love the military, I love it, it's been my life, but they always seem to find reasons why you can't do something rather than why you can," Sen. McCain said.

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On Libyan leader Qaddafi, McCain said, "This guy's days are numbered. The question is -- is can we shorten those number of days to save lives, to save people's lives because it's clear he's going to kill whoever he thinks he can in order to stay in power."

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[Thermalseeker]

Post the following vanity question if you dare:

Is the preamble to the Constitution law?

If you don't you are a coward.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

You just don’t know when you’re beat there thick headed dishonest sea lawyer. Coward huh? Thought you didn’t call names because that meant you were losing an argument. I guess by your own standards you have lost the argument.

ROFLMAO!!!

You are too easy...

[Thermalseeker]

I said you would be a coward if you didn't post the question to the forum. I see you have exhibited reading comprehension problems several times now. Keep deluding yourself. Given the specific reference I just posted and you inability to interpret it, given that it is an answer to this exact question illustrates vividly who the fool is and it ain't me....

Post that question to the forum. I dare you. I have $1000 that says you are wrong. Put up, or shut up.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

You put up or shut up. You are the one that has been dishonest from the start. I’m supposed to answer all of your questions, yet you never answer my questions. Who are you? I answer your questions and you call me the coward. Hah. Just like a dishonest sea lawyer. I’m done answering your questions until you admit that the preamble question was not the first question you asked. I’m done until you provide proof of your assertion that if SCOTUS didn’t rule on it, then it’s not law.

You’re a joke and dishonest. And a sea lawyer...

[Thermalseeker]

I didn’t think you have the cajones to put your money where your mouth was.......

[hal ogen]

OK...so give mclame an old F4 (the type he liked to crash during VN war times) and have him crash it into 0mar’s palace in Tripoli. Surely we can afford that.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

And I didn’t think you had the cajones to admit you were wrong. You really are an idiot. Betting over free republic. Tell you what, put your credit card number in your next post so I know it’s a legit bet.

[Thermalseeker]

One Thousand Dollars. I’m a pilot. I will hand deliver 10 $100 bills on a silver platter to you anywhere in the continental USA if you can prove that the preamble to the Constitution specifically has been cited as law for the basis of ANY decision in ANY SCOTUS case. The proof has to be specific and verifiable, IOW, not your opinion or the opinion of anyone other than the majority of the SCOTUS. One Thousand Dollars. Crisp, brand new $100 bills. If you are wrong you owe me nothing. What have you got to lose?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

Why don’t you admit you were wrong about the first question that you asked me? Because you’re dishonest thats why. I’ve already answered all your questions. You’ve proven nothing except that you’re a jackass and a sea lawyer. I’ll give you 1000 dollars if you can cite every other part of the constitution cited as law for the basis of any decision of any scotus case. According to your logic, it’s not law if it hasn’t been cited in a SCOTUS case. So prove the rest of the constitution is law sea lawyer.

I’m waiting. I think you’re a coward and don’t have the guts to do it.

[Thermalseeker]

Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[fabian]

Why? We have intervened on many occasions to save lives and stop a tyrant.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Your post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever."

Only because you don't understand logic. You've built a false argument and expect me to prove it's veracity. You're just not smart enough to understand my counter.

[Thermalseeker]

You're just not smart enough to understand my counter.

No, I simply do not accept your premise or your lies. BTW, I hold an MSEE and a BSAE from Georgia Tech (with honors) and I've been a MENSA member since I was 15. I'll compare IQ with you anytime, anywhere.....

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"No, I simply do not accept your premise or your lies."

Nor I yours. Yet you expect me to accept your premise while you reject the clear counter argument. Hence your stupidity, no matter what degree you have. I understand that Obama has a masters, and yet.....

[Thermalseeker]

I understand that Obama has a masters, and yet.....

More made up crap from the shallow depths of your cranium. Prove it. Obama has not released his transcripts. There is no verifiable evidence he went to college at all anywhere.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

As you say, I can’t prove Obama has a masters degree. You don’t like that comparison, Wesley Clark was valedictorian of his class at West Point, a Rhodes scholar and has a masters degree. There is no doubt to any of those facts. Yet, he’s as dumb as they get.

[Thermalseeker]

So what? Once again you are talking in circles and not making any sense. Now you have stooped to denigrating one of the finest military institutions this country has and one that has produced Presidents, Governors, Generals, Astronauts, Engineers, Writers, and a host of other professions based on one graduate who is a lunatic. My, how patriotic of you! Perhaps you'd enjoy denigrating other outstanding figures in American history who were also West Point graduates such as Robert E. Lee, William T. Sherman, Dwight Eisenhower, Douglas MacArthur, "Hap" Arnold, "Buzz" Aldrin, John J. Pershing, Frank Borman, George S. Patton, "Stonewall" Jackson, or any of the other thousands of Americans who, unlike yourself, have actually achieved notoriety after receiving their educations at West Point? You seem to enjoy insulting people who have actually achieved things in their lives. Why is that? Perhaps it is a reflection of your own failures?

Wouldn't you be more comfortable mingling with your own kind over at the DU? Jeez.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Now you have stooped to denigrating one of the finest military institutions this country has and one that has produced Presidents"

Once again you fail comprehension 101. For someone who claims to be so smart, you have a problem comprehending basic English. I denigrated a person named Wesley Clark who happened to have graduated from that fine military institution. I never denigrated the institution. I used him as an example to prove just because you have a lot of education from distinguished institutions does not prove you are that smart. You are proving that with every post you make.

"You seem to enjoy insulting people who have actually achieved things in their lives. Why is that? Perhaps it is a reflection of your own failures?"

Again, you obviously cannot graps things. For instance, my moniker refers to being a Marine. I am a retired Marine who has served in a number of combat theaters and participated in real world situations such as humanitarian missions. So yeah, I feel I've accomplished a few things in my life. I also obviously have tremendous respect for the military and am involved in numerous veterans organizations and activities to benefit veterans. I just don't have to toot my horn about it like you have been doing this whole thread. Why? Because it's not about me or about you. It's about the opinion of instituting a no fly zone over Libya which I first expressed here a long time ago.

[Thermalseeker]

Once again you fail comprehension 101. For someone who claims to be so smart, you have a problem comprehending basic English. I denigrated a person named Wesley Clark who happened to have graduated from that fine military institution. I never denigrated the institution.

You don't even remember what you wrote, do you? You denigrated the fact that Wesley Clark holds a Masters Degree and the fact that he attended West Point, therefore you denigrate the institution. Personally, I doubt any higher learning institution played any part in the lunacy of Wesley Clark. He comes by that naturally.

I used him as an example to prove just because you have a lot of education from distinguished institutions does not prove you are that smart. You are proving that with every post you make.

I'm proving that you like to insult and denigrate others whom you do not begin to know rather than discuss the topic of the thread.

Again, you obviously cannot graps things. For instance, my moniker refers to being a Marine. I am a retired Marine who has served in a number of combat theaters and participated in real world situations such as humanitarian missions. So yeah, I feel I've accomplished a few things in my life.

Thank you for your service.

I also obviously have tremendous respect for the military

Really? Running down a fine institution like West Point sure is a funny way to show it!

I just don't have to toot my horn about it like you have been doing this whole thread.

No, you've just called me stupid, ignorant, illogical, etc. when you know absolutely nothing about me or my achievements. That is why I mentioned my degrees, but they are only a small part of the equation. What I have done with this knowledge is what counts, but you know nothing of that, either. Perhaps if you would spend a little less time insulting people and a little more time trying to learn you would find posters here on Free Republic more amiable.

Why?

Damned good question. I have no idea why you feel the need to insult me or any other poster here on FR, but you seem to do it fairly regularly to other posters, too. You seem to thrive on it. You've gone out of your way to attempt to insult me in virtually every post, despite the fact that I have not once made any attempt to insult you. Reviewing your posts on other threads it seems to be a common reaction for you when you get yourself backed into a corner like you are now.

Because it's not about me or about you. It's about the opinion of instituting a no fly zone over Libya which I first expressed here a long time ago.

You're right. It's not about you or me. It never has been, but you've tried to make it about me, repeatedly, in virtually every post as you dodged question after question. You have yet to point to ANYTHING in the Constitution that would allow the United States to interfere in a civil war in a sovereign country. You claimed it was the preamble and I offered $1000 cash delivered to you on a silver platter if you could prove that the preamble was law, but you couldn't do it. You just keep talking about me instead.

We don't need Libya's oil. The American civilians are out. This is the same country who sponsored the bombing of Pan Am 103 taking 270 innocent lives and ultimately destroyed one of the oldest airlines in the USA. Assuming you have the Constitutional authority to do so do you really think this is worth one drop of American blood or one penny from our treasury to liberate Libya for a bunch of Muslims, most of whom would cut your throat ear to ear if given half a chance and then rejoice about it?

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"Really? Running down a fine institution like West Point sure is a funny way to show it!"

Again, lack of basic English comprehension. Show me in a post where I denigrated that fine institution? I called a person who attended it dumb, not the institution that he came from.

"I doubt any higher learning institution played any part in the lunacy of Wesley Clark. He comes by that naturally."

Gee, now you're finally starting to get my point. You listed all of your academic achievments as evidence of how smart you are. Yet as you have noted above, being smart or intelligent does not come from academic honors. You see, I never mentioned it previously but I have a college degree also. It's not germaine to the subject at hand even though you have attempted to belittle my intelligence. Perhaps because I attained it later in life is the reason that it does not mean as much to me. I feel like I learned more pushing recruits through on Parris Island than in the classroom. I learned more from a CMH winner speaking on Leadership in Combat than any college professor could teach me. My degree merely afforded me the opportunity of good employment upon retirement from the Corps. Your degrees, like Wesley Clarks do not impress me and says nothing about your intelligence. Your posts here on the other hand do. They show you to be of low intelligence.

" You've gone out of your way to attempt to insult me in virtually every post, despite the fact that I have not once made any attempt to insult you."

You better go back and re-read your posts there sea lawyer. You've insulted me many times on here. I'm just not whining about it. You better buck up and put your big boy pads on if you're going come on here on free republic and drip with sarcasm in your posts to me or others.