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Texas immigration bill has big exception
cnn.com ^ | 3/1/2011 | Mariano Castillo

Posted on 03/01/2011 9:40:25 PM PST by dragnet2

Amid a number of bills filed in Texas that address the issue of illegal immigration, one, proposed by Republican state Rep. Debbie Riddle, stands out.

As proposed, House Bill 2012 would create tough state punishments for those who "intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly" hire an unauthorized immigrant. Violators could face up to two years in jail and a fine of up to $10,000.

But it is an exception included in the bill that is drawing attention. Those who hire unauthorized immigrants would be in violation of the law -- unless they are hiring a maid, a lawn caretaker or another houseworker.

It is a tough immigration bill with a soft side that protects those who hire unauthorized immigrants "for the purpose of obtaining labor or other work to be performed exclusively or primarily at a single-family residence."

Texas state Rep. Aaron Pena, a Democrat, said the exception is a wise one.

"With things as they are today, her bill will see a large segment of the Texas population in prison" if it passes without the exception, he said.

"When it comes to household employees or yard workers, it is extremely common for Texans to hire people who are likely undocumented workers," Pena said. "It is so common, it is overlooked."

The Texas legislature convenes only once every two years, so Texas has not passed tough anti-illegal immigration laws like some other states. The result has been that unauthorized immigrants in those states are relocating to Texas, Berman said.

Riddle did not return repeated calls for comment. Her office said she would not comment on the bill because it could still be modified.

In a interview with the Texas Tribune, Riddle's chief of staff, Jon English, explained that the exception was to avoid "stifling the economic engine" in Texas.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; texas
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To: dragnet2
My point is, if you or anyone is stupid enough to have someone perform work on or in your private residence, who is not insured/licensed and or bonded, then they get what they deserve.

That was not your point. You were blaming people who hire home workers without verifying their legal status as being lazy, contributing to the problems with illegal immigration, etc. If a person can't check a worker's status, how could you possibly send that person to jail or fine them? Unless your problem is just people who can afford a home worker.
81 posted on 03/02/2011 7:39:19 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: netmilsmom
Well, when you walk into the end of a long thread, and throw your opinion in without reading above your shining bit of wisdom, expect to have context thrown at you.

So now that you've gotten your little dig in, answer my question -- can any average household sign up for E-Verify and check the status of a worker? If the answer is no, then just admit it.
82 posted on 03/02/2011 7:41:10 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: TexasAg

No, my point is, if you or anyone is stupid enough to have someone perform work on or in your private residence, who is not insured/licensed and or bonded, then they get what they deserve.


83 posted on 03/02/2011 7:42:13 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TexasAg

Let me ask you, as a homeowner, are you someone who invites people perform work on or in your private property without verifying if they are insured/licensed and or bonded?


84 posted on 03/02/2011 7:42:34 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Let me ask you, as a homeowner, are you someone who invites people perform work on or in your private property without verifying if they are insured/licensed and or bonded?

What type of "license" do you think my lawn guy has or needs? There's nothing for me to check. He was recommended by a neighbor. And no, I don't care if he's bonded. I doubt my grass needs it.
85 posted on 03/02/2011 7:45:48 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: TexasAg; dragnet2

Holy crap.

Please read the thread.

THIS is what the poster said
“Has it occurred to anyone that this exception is intended to protect homeowners that don’t have the resources to check out a potential employee?

Have you ever tried to use E-Verify? It’s not a simple task even to get started, before you check out a single employee.”

Get it. The guy WAS too lazy to use E-Verify.

Now for you, there ARE business that will check the background of your “homeworker”. Any security business does it, we have one up the street. You know how? E-Verify. I’ve BEEN checked. I’ve been bonded.

So if you want to find out, you can. You can call any security business and ask them to use E-Verify.


86 posted on 03/02/2011 7:46:58 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: dragnet2

Nope, these people don’t care at all.

Wonder why they keep coming here?


87 posted on 03/02/2011 7:47:58 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice.)
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To: TexasAg
What type of "license" do you think my lawn guy has or needs?

What are you talking about?

All *legitimate* landscaping firms are licensed and insured/bonded. They work with machinery and sharp blades on your private property...Do you have any idea what can and does happen?

88 posted on 03/02/2011 7:51:16 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

So the answer is, you don’t know what type of license a landscaper needs. Tell me, if the landscaper only does lawn work and doesn’t build any type of structure, what license does he need? Don’t say “a license.” Tell me what specific license he needs.


89 posted on 03/02/2011 7:53:47 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: netmilsmom

I’m not talking about a website like everify.com. I’m talking about the government “E-Verify” program, which is something I can’t use.


90 posted on 03/02/2011 7:54:53 PM PST by TexasAg
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To: TexasAg
Let me ask you, as a homeowner, are you someone who invites people perform work on or in your private property without verifying if they are insured/licensed and or bonded?

So your answer is YES...

lol...

Lemme tell ya something tex...If you're the homeowner and you do this, you're leaving yourself wide open to massive, punitive liability.

Only a *foolish homeowner* would do this in today's litigious society

91 posted on 03/02/2011 7:56:35 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

.....The worst thing you can do as a homeowner is have a person or people working on your private property, who are not insured/bonded with legitimate licenses......

Oh for crying out loud how many people here as kids cut lawns, shoveled snow, washed cars, babysat, painted, etc etc?

Check your homeowners policy for casual labor.

When they get around to e verifying the President of the US let me know:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2011/02/colonel-gregory-hollister-obamas-social.html#comment-form


92 posted on 03/02/2011 7:57:43 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: TexasAg
All *legitimate* landscaping firms are licensed and insured/bonded.

So the answer is, you don’t know what type of license a landscaper needs.

What??

Ya ever hear of a business license?

wow...

93 posted on 03/02/2011 7:58:39 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rolling_stone
Oh for crying out loud how many people here as kids cut lawns

Here comes the disingenuous frauds...We talking about grow adults and illegal aliens.

Of course you know that junior.

94 posted on 03/02/2011 8:00:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Here comes the disingenuous frauds...We talking about grow adults and illegal aliens.

What difference does it make? If they will sue you they will sue you and a business license is no protection, it is a business tax and you have no recourse against the license issuer.


95 posted on 03/02/2011 8:02:49 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone

Stop the bull shit with the little kids cutting lawns bit...

No sale slick!


96 posted on 03/02/2011 8:03:56 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rolling_stone

BTW, you’ll note I repeatedly said >>>legitimate landscaping companies are all insured and bonded and licensed to do business.<<<

You’re a fraud...


97 posted on 03/02/2011 8:06:31 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I see you have noting intelligent to respond with. What is the difference in age of the person working on your yard/house have to do with anything? Their parents can sue on their behalf just as if they were an adult.


98 posted on 03/02/2011 8:08:47 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone
OK........ OK..Your right...

All these tens of hundreds of thousands of half drunk 40 year olds driving uninsured beat up 30 year old trucks all over this country doing landscaping for dirt cheap, are in your words just 12 year old neighborhood kids making some extra money for summer...Gak!

I am so sick of BS'ing disingenuous frauds like you...

Why am I wasting my time here???

99 posted on 03/02/2011 8:13:43 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

BTW, you’ll note I repeatedly said >>>legitimate landscaping companies are all insured and bonded and licensed to do business.<<<

I do not appreciate you calling me a fraud. All landscapers do not need to be bonded, and in fact do not need a contractors license when doing work under $500.

You are mistaken and I am not a fraud. Maybe you need insurance because you have been sued for defaming someone before? Is that your bent?


100 posted on 03/02/2011 8:14:46 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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