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To: SampleMan
>Do you have a right to be on my property? Yes or No

Generally no; HOWEVER, that might actually be dependent on some other [legal] condition; such as if I am renting living or storage space from you.

>Do you have a right to stay if I tell you that I want you to leave? Yes or No

See the above; some states have laws which give renters the right to challenge an eviction OR that give a time-limit in order for the tenant to move.

>Must I have a good reason that you agree with for telling you to stay off or leave? Yes or No.

No, you are free to do what you want... but you willfully miss the point that such actions might be illegal.

>If you answered No to all of the above and still want to maintain that you have a right to go somewhere under conditions wherein you are not welcome, then you are intellectually dishonest and tyrannical.

I believe I answered correctly.

As you are not a reasonable person, I would specifically not allow you to come onto my property armed, as I would not trust your judgment. Other people may be armed or not as I decide. Don't like that decision?

Interesting that you consider the insistence that you agree to a positive obligation to provide for my safety should I accept your condition to enter your property to qualify me as "not a reasonable person." Also interesting that pointing out what the law says qualifies me as "not a reasonable person."

84 posted on 03/05/2011 10:09:58 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
Interesting that you consider the insistence that you agree to a positive obligation to provide for my safety should I accept your condition to enter your property to qualify me as "not a reasonable person." Also interesting that pointing out what the law says qualifies me as "not a reasonable person."

When you accept a condition, responsibility then rests with you. I give you an option and you (as an adult) get to decide whether it is right for you. That's who the big boy world works.

What qualifies you as unreasonable is your unwillingness to accept other people's property rights.

As for you weaseling vis a vis "rental agreements" you make my point. Rental agreements are nothing but a legal contract bases on a list of conditions. I rent out two properties and my tenants must remain within the confines of the contract (conditions) if they wish to stay on the property.

Please tell me that you do not fancy yourself knowlegable in law, and yet had the fact that a lease is nothing but a conditional arrangement, escape you.

I have already addressed illegal conditions, but if you understand natural rights at all then you must understand that the state does not give me my propery rights, thus it cannot take them away. Making an abridgment of rights a law, doesn't make it OK. The USSR had tons of laws precluding the free excercise of rights.

In fact, it is very difficult to come up with an illegal condition of entry, as the person being offered the condition can always refuse it, by not entering.

You have never addressed the direct point that all of your other rights are open for abridgment on a regular basis as a condition of entry, and I'm certain that you have a long list of conditions that you put on your visitors (which restricts their free actions), whether it is stated or not.

It is unclear how any person who is free to leave at any time, can claim that they were forced to give something up.

85 posted on 03/05/2011 12:32:18 PM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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