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To: PieterCasparzen

No one wants to prosecute the johns because so many of them are elites.

As far as drugs go, I have my own ideas about how to stop the drug trade. But no one likes my ideas.


17 posted on 02/26/2011 6:38:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: little jeremiah
No one wants to prosecute the johns because so many of them are elites.

Here's a long answer, pardon me...

They're a cross section of society, many just have wives, girlfriends, parents, families and employers who may or may not realize what they are doing and certainly the arrest of the guy would ruin everyone's day. The vast majority are definitely not "elite" in any sense of the word. The demand for these services will never completely go away, but if the operations were constantly raided and ALL the johns arrested but the operators let go, johns would become very uninterested in partaking. Politicians find it very convenient to point to the operators as the "bad guys", but johns seek this service out. The last thing some day-laboror, college student or office guy needs is their family getting on them about them being convicted of that crime. Prosecution of the johns is the most effective deterrance.

Even though everyone outwardly says it's technically wrong, most people say, "aw you can't stop it", essentially that it should be overlooked. Most people don't care if "other" people participate in that business, they feel that it does not involve them. Also, the tutes are always presented as victims, but see what answer you get if you ask them. Maybe some are "enslaved", but I think if you asked 100 of them, for at least 95 it would be all about the money. Tell them you want them to stop, you'll help them. See what they say. I guess that's why so many people refer to it as a "victimless crime". Hey, it's still legal in parts of "The Honorable Senator" Harry Reid's scenic and beautiful great state of Nevada. Everyone seems to talk about prostitution being so bad for the prostitute, but we just can't seem to do much prosecution of their customers, and the customers somehow just keep coming back for more. Hmmm...

Law enforcement keeps following policy, just shutting down operations when they get the order. I'm sure if we told them to arrest customers they would.

A few years back in NJ, a brothel was raided by some multi-agency team, and found A SLEW OF LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT in there partaking ! Not that this would be common across America, just agreeing (like you alluded to) that sometimes a lot of people are connected a lot of different - and surprising - ways. If cops sat across the street and arrested every john, the business would shut downm but this place in Lodi, NJ was operating, apparently, for years.

As far as drugs go, I have my own ideas about how to stop the drug trade. But no one likes my ideas.

Again, since drugs can be homemade and there can't be a cop inside every house (Constitutionally and of course mathematically), it is impossible to completely stop people from using drugs. Government policy is to go after the "big fish", i.e., distributors, and the bigger the better. This policy simply keeps the market prices of drugs high. Removal of a distributor or product from the street simply creates a temporary and local supply shortage, which creates a huge monetary incentive for someone else to service the affected territory.

I had someone explain to me once just how large the industry is; they basically confirmed that to large importers losing a load is like Walmart losing one trailor.

Since the supply is impossible to stop, grassroots demand decrease is the only way to shrink the "industry". When demand in an industry dries up, it's game over for the businesses operating in that industry. United States Leather Company is an example - used to make horse harnesses.

Everyone seems to forget that vices are made illegal because of their detriment to society, and that prosecution of such crimes under the law is necessary to then actually reduce vice. Lowering sentences and skipping prosecution will always result in more vice as people realize that there is no serious penalty for them.

Can you imagine if half the things we do today were done in America in the year 1710 and how harsh and swift the penalties would have been ? I don't know what your ideas are, but IMHO, we don't need much more than to actually arrest and prosecute a lot of offenders.
40 posted on 02/26/2011 11:57:25 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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