Why the heck can’t students learn with 60 or even 600 kids in a classroom? I simply don’t get it.
My 1-12 classes were at least 30+ per room, and I learned. My college lecture halls held hundreds and were often pretty full, and I learned. My med school class had 104 in it, most attended most lectures, and most of us learned a heck of a lot.
You plunk me down in a stadium of 80,000 and I’ll learn if someone gives a lecture or projects the blackboard on a screen.
What you have is undisciplined kids who don’t want to learn, and therefore shouldn’t be wasting the taxpayers’ money at schools in the first place - and the crazy-a$$ Children-of-the-Sixties (and Seventies, etc.) parents, who spawned these spoiled little feral monsters, and who then keep demanding everyone else needs to pony up their money for a worthless educational system that fails to educate. Class size my arse. Home school them if you think that’s important.
I went to a one room school grades 1-8, 42 students, no interior walls and one teacher. Without exception all students learned and excelled - but we knew what awaited us at home if we did not. Respect of authority, manners, discipline and an quest for knowledge all begin at home. IMO until the family structure is restored and all parents accept responsibility for instilling these attributes in their children, not much will change.
“What you have is undisciplined kids who don’t want to learn, and therefore shouldn’t be wasting the taxpayers’ money at schools in the first place - and the crazy-a$$ Children-of-the-Sixties (and Seventies, etc.) parents, who spawned these spoiled little feral monsters, and who then keep demanding everyone else needs to pony up their money for a worthless educational system that fails to educate. Class size my arse. Home school them if you think that’s important.”
Right you are!
My wife is a teacher in the Indianapolis school system. The reason kids don’t learn isn’t because of money spent. It is because the family and the culture has been destroyed. Starting with FDR and then Johnson’s “Great Society” the underclass (not just blacks) have been trained to do nothing more than sign a government check. There is zero morality left in much of the inner city culture. I’ve heard black pastors give pep talks about “It’s MY time now” and other drivel and then give a wink and a nod to blatant sin.
Detroit is a result of sin and just a microcosm of the rest of our western culture.
“Why the heck can’t students learn with 60 or even 600 kids in a classroom? I simply don’t get it. My 1-12 classes were at least 30+ per room, and I learned. “
Teachers aren’t allowed to punish kids for disrupting the class. You and I didn’t allow our “ADD” to overpower us and let us be disruptive as we understood it would get us humiliated and smacked. Teachers and parents now “medicate” behavior problems. I’ve read that 25% of public school students are essentially medicated into submission. Creating a lifelong drug habit is so much better for kids than smacking them on the behind.
Also, most likely, when you were in school the liberals didn’t force children with severe difficulties into the same class as everybody else. It’s called “mainstreaming.” This means that one or two students may actually eat up 50% or more of a teacher’s time.
Another issue is the gigantic size of today’s schools; thousands of students each. A teacher told me that the primary concern of any student is surviving the day. They aren’t interested in learning, they’re interested in surviving the day. Other students are predators. That’s why big schools have gangs; to offer protection.
Your IQ is probably 120+,the average Detroit student’s IQ is quite a bit lower.These kids need some individual help and they aren’t going to get it.Help at home probably isn’t there either.
Why the heck can’t students learn with 60 or even 600 kids in a classroom? I simply don’t get it.
China has no problem educating its children. Their class sizes start around 45 students per class.
It was the brainchild of the unions, thus ensuring the need for more and more teacher's jobs being needed.
Nice scam, actually, fooled many, still does.
You make a good point!
Not being an educational theorist or anything, lower-income kids never “learn to learn” if I can paint with an ultra broad brush. They never are imbued with the desire to acquire intelligence. Or, whatever instinct they may have in that direction gets shunted aside. My cousin who is a first-time math teacher (I know, an example of one) tells me about this.
And so the thinking is they need to be coddled or given attention one on one. You know the drill, I’m not saying anything you don’t understand. But like so many other things, it’s a chant, it’s a slogan.
They *do* need that one one on one, but that is the parents’ job, as I see it. But since that doesn’t appear to be happening either, the teachers take it upon themselves as one of their holy duties. And thus the myth(s) we are struggling with in these battles persist.