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Video case reflects generations' great divide (musician faces 20 year sentence for youtube prank)
Mlive.com ^ | 02/20/11 | Cindy Fairfield

Posted on 02/21/2011 10:29:38 AM PST by Gena Bukin

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To: Gena Bukin

“Re-read what I wrote. I wasn’t accusing you of anything!”
The hell you didn’t

You specifically addressed this to my quote and me.
To Jazz1968: “Apparently, believing this young man doesn’t deserve to spend twenty years behind bars makes one a pervert, porn aficionado and closet kiddie diddler. Oh, and a liberal troll.”

You were way out of line!

You need to re-read.


81 posted on 02/21/2011 1:16:29 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: wagglebee

Well Golly! Quite a few have broken moral barometers.


82 posted on 02/21/2011 1:17:03 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Palladin; wagglebee; DJ MacWoW; trisham; little jeremiah
So glad the FR pervs are self-identifying on this thread.

They sure are. Nothing like a thread about morals to bring out the worst in some people.

Comparing this to Mozart and Wagner is really scraping to find some justification to support this.

Support of this kind of obscenity and perversion is why our culture is going down the tubes and why child abuse is on the rise.

Anyone supporting or defending this kind of nonsense is as guilty of a child getting molested as the perv committing the act. It's called being complicit.

83 posted on 02/21/2011 1:17:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“That ain’t innocent and only the MTV generation would think it is.”

Now here I agree 100%.


84 posted on 02/21/2011 1:18:52 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: wtc911

pwnd.....


85 posted on 02/21/2011 1:20:31 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wtc911
You wouldn't happen to be on a sex offender list, would you?

What? No response yet?

Imagine that.

86 posted on 02/21/2011 1:21:36 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; trisham; metmom; ...
No pal, I’m a professional musician, and any censorship of any music is anathema to me.

I'm sure you also support "art" like urine-soaked Crucifixes or feces-smeared canvas and scream censorship if children were prohibited from seeing it.

Its that whole slippery-slope argument.

Yes it is, you and your leftist ilk put us on the slippery slope a long time ago and you will do whatever is necessary to insure that America continues its descent into Hell.

87 posted on 02/21/2011 1:23:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“I never said you did. Learn to read. “

I never said you said it. Learn to read.


88 posted on 02/21/2011 1:24:00 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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To: Jazz1968; beandog

He SAID it was a joke.

That doesn’t make it one.

That’s the typical bully/thug response when caught and confronted about wrongdoing.

Turn it back on everyone else, claim it was a *joke* and complain that you can’t help it if nobody else has a sense of humor. Make everyone else the bad guy and him the martyr.

Not buying it.

What he did was thought out, deliberate and intentional. It took planning and time and effort.

No, it was not a joke.


89 posted on 02/21/2011 1:25:16 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: wagglebee

According to many on FR, Democrats and Liberals on the one hand, and Republicans and Conservatives on the other, are exactly the same, but they have different ideas about what should be banned.

According to many, “big government conservatives” are the only good kind of conservative, even if JimR is not a big govermment conservative.

A handful of Conservatives jump up and down about something, and before you know it, it’s impossible to persuade moderates that Conservatives are better. It’s just a choice about what you want to ban. Conservatives want to ban video editing that makes it look like kids are in favor of bad things. It’s not enough to make bad things a crime.

Let’s just start putting Hollywood directors in jail for anything we don’t like.

I guess there aren’t too many tea party conservatives here, just Bush/RINO “conservatives”.

I remember when people were voting against too much government. I guess it was just not the right kind of government. If Obama started putting people in jail for videos they didn’t like, they’d be all for Obama. Gonna walk around with a sign “Obama - the wrong kind of big government”?


90 posted on 02/21/2011 1:28:55 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968
You need to re-read.

No, obviously I needed to use a 'sarcasm' tag. Sorry you took my post exactly the opposite of how it was intended. I have agreed with your points on this thread 100% of the time and DJ MacWow's points exactly 0% of the time.

91 posted on 02/21/2011 1:29:24 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: metmom

Do you think the fact that he’s a comedian influence the way you think about whether it was a joke?


92 posted on 02/21/2011 1:30:21 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: Jazz1968
I never said you said it.

Yes. You did.

93 posted on 02/21/2011 1:31:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Jazz1968; Gena Bukin

Actually Jazz, I think gena was taking a jab at those would judge you for making such a suggestion. After all, the gang’s all here after the trumpet blast was sounded by one. Or, was it a dog whistle?

I am sorry to hear of your experience as a youth. I can’t imagine.


94 posted on 02/21/2011 1:32:20 PM PST by Lando Lincoln
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To: wagglebee; Gena Bukin; Emperor Palpatine; DJ MacWoW; wtc911; beandog; Palladin; little jeremiah; ...
What some of these pornography apologists clearly do not understand is that here we may argue vehemently over things political but when it comes to morality and children we unite to form a strong wall against all those who seek to incrementally chip away at our defenses.

There is no gray area when it comes to children, only absolute zero tolerance.

I do not have the authority to close the FR door on those of you who have shown a willingness to comprimise with the mystery man and I would not ping the boss....but....I believe that I speak for the rest of us when I say that you would never be welcome in my house or in the company of my family.

95 posted on 02/21/2011 1:32:48 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: Lando Lincoln; Jazz1968
Actually Jazz, I think gena was taking a jab at those would judge you for making such a suggestion.

Thank you, Lando. This is exactly what I was doing (though not very well, it appears).

I am sorry to hear of your experience as a youth. I can’t imagine.

Indeed, Jazz, as am I.

96 posted on 02/21/2011 1:36:10 PM PST by Gena Bukin
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To: truthfreedom
Do you think the fact that he’s a comedian influence the way you think about whether it was a joke?

No.

He can claim kiddie porn music is a *joke* all he wants and it doesn't make it one.

I think he wanted to see how far he could push the issue in porn and get away with it. I have no doubt that he knew what kind of response it would provoke.

97 posted on 02/21/2011 1:38:25 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jazz1968
Listen prick, I was molested from 8-12 years of age by a real pedophile, and this kid is not one...

_____________________________________

I am genuinely sorry that you have to carry that around.

Do you know everything about your molester? Do you know how he found his way to that depravity? Was he born that way? Did he just wake up one day and start? Or, as is likely, did he build up to it?

Neither you nor I know exactly what was in this funny guy's head when he made the video. I do know that the mind that came up with the idea of singing "I'll put my hand in your panties..." in front of a backdrop of smiling children is sick. I also know that anyone who thinks these thoughts and then acts them out on camera should never be allowed interaction with children and should be on a watch list.

98 posted on 02/21/2011 1:40:39 PM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sounds like a contract law dispute. Or a tort. There might be a cause of action somewhere there. They were in a video and they weren’t paid. And parents didn’t sign permission slips. Kids are in movies where bad things happen all the time. And hollywood makes big money.

But it’s not a crime.


99 posted on 02/21/2011 1:41:32 PM PST by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Yes it is well known the kid is a amateur comedian and this video was planned ahead of time.
He played it at a comedy club on a variety night a week before he posted it on youtube.

Prosecutors and Defense both agree it was a sick prank gone wrong. What they don’t agree on is what crime was committed and what punishment should be applied.

He is a idiot and has a twisted sense of humor, but he is no pedophile.


100 posted on 02/21/2011 1:42:58 PM PST by Jazz1968 (I)
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