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To: bigbob

With all due respect, the fact that you appear to know very little about the matter should not be confused with:

“Whenever some blogger trying to pimp his website and/or book and/or newsletter claims there’s “reduced production” and “decade low inventories” without any proof, it becomes accepted as fact (?)”

It will take some time, and frankly I have little desire to look up all the articles for you, but will see what I can do in the next few minutes. However, I will enlighten you with a few points.

A) Corn raised for ethanol and HFCS is NOT the same as traditional corn as it has been bred/engineered for high carbohydrate and low protein, and is often not fit as a human food, as ethanol corn while “corn” is engineered to become a fuel, not food. However, before the newfound genetic manipulation began, the main source of corn for ethanol was feed corn, not food corn. Ie Motor oil is not vegetable oil.

B) Last year despite claiming we were going to have a bumper crop of soybeans, the USDA also reported that a large number (I believe more than half) of the counties that produce food for our country suffered a loss of over 25% of their crops, and many suffered a loss of more than 40%.

C) To address the “decade low inventories,” it’s apparent that you are also unaware that the company which manages our wheat reserves for the U.S. Government (I believe it transferred from public to private hands some decades ago, IIRC), sold off the last of the grain they had 2 years ago in their attempts to keep grain prices low.

Like I said, don’t blame the blogger for not citing info, and call it blog pimping. Just like people who talk on threads don’t source everything that is common knowledge from historical fact to current events. Your opinion that someone should source information is idealistic, to be sure, and your desire to verify fact is commendable, but while an honest desire for knowledge and inquiry is great, spouting off your contempt is not. Remember that the U.S. Government has been massaging numbers for decades, lest you be caught unaware.

I’ll give you some references. As I recently stopped using Google, finding info is harder and I don’t keep links to every article (dozens to hundreds) I read everyday. But this will give you info that you can start factchecking if you so choose.

On the selling off of the reserves:
http://www.barternews.com/us_government_wheat_stocks_collapse.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread487766/pg1

The differences in corn (Which thanks to you, I just learned is a growing concern for corn growers and the food industry, thanks!):
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/business/12corn.html?_r=1
http://www.ehow.com/about_6331420_type-corn-goes-animal-feed.html
(To Note, tis last article explains: “Corn used for livestock feed is typically grown as silage. Corn intended for silage is planted very close together and harvested before it is ripe. At the time the corn is harvested, it is still a little green on top. The whole plant is put through silage cutters, a rough cutting machine, to produce the feed. This is fit for cows and pigs. Chickens eat only the corn kernels. In this preparation, the cob is removed using specialized machines. Pigs can also eat the kernels of corn.” The author notes that feed corn can be eaten by humans, however that which is already planted is planted differently (very close together), and would not necessarily be nutrient dense enough to be used as humans until the next planting, and a revision of it’s processing—my interjection, not in the article).

The bottom line is that there is a problem, like it or not. And it would be wise for everyone to get their houses in order. I personally have been telling people to keep things in perspective, and maybe it’s the same mentality that keeps you from thinking there is a problem. What I tell people is this: “There will ALWAYS be food, the problem is at what cost?” While the price of rice/wheat etc. DOUBLING from let’s say $1/lb. to $2/lb. doesn’t seem to be a lot to the U.S., it is for many people around the world. Once it doubles a few times, it starts becoming a problem for more and more people.”

I personally believe the bible to be literal. A measure of wheat for a whole day’s wages. And I think it’s coming upon faster than not. I’m grateful for the time people have left to prepare, but I have pity for those that will, as in the days of Noah, eat and drink until it’s too late, rather than prepare. My two cents.


52 posted on 02/19/2011 7:03:24 AM PST by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235; All

“I have pity for those that will, as in the days of Noah, eat and drink until it’s too late, rather than prepare. My two cents.’

Preparation is always good. I have been preparing for over 40 years, and I believe that food is unlikely to be a major problem in the United States, unless shortages are politically caused and promoted to do it here. We produce huge surpluses of food that we sell all over the world, as does Canada.

Food shortages in much of the third world - very likely - and very nasty. Most of those are now caused by political situations where a nasty dictator or political party is using starvation as a weapon against people they dislike.

That is what we need to guard against here in the U.S.


64 posted on 02/19/2011 7:17:29 AM PST by marktwain
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To: JDW11235

Ie Motor oil is not vegetable oil.

Question: Where is the canola plant grown? (Just messin’ with ya’.)


76 posted on 02/19/2011 7:26:46 AM PST by Terry Mross (We need a SECOND party.)
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To: JDW11235

“There will ALWAYS be food, the problem is at what cost?”

That is basically what I tell people. You will just need to be more prudent to meet the needs of your family within your budget.

My MIL grew up on a ranch/farm, I asked her if she ever went hungry, she said no but they ate a lot of beans. They had to sell almost everything they raised to keep the ranch so they often had to survive on squash, beans and rabbit.

In the ‘50s we ate canned fruits and vegetables because fresh wasn’t always available. Bananas were there all the time but all the other fruit came in season.


97 posted on 02/19/2011 7:51:23 AM PST by tiki
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To: JDW11235
Private wheat stocks are divided into two major categories — on-farm wheat stocks owned by farmers, and off-farm wheat stocks owned by warehouses and grain companies. These two together held 305.6 million bushels of wheat as of June 1 (or roughly 1 bushel per person living in the United States) the lowest level in 60 years.

With zero held by government - isn't this low 'private stocks' number a recipe for panic?

157 posted on 02/19/2011 12:25:06 PM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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