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To: Wurlitzer
So which is it? NASCAR or advertising for recruiting purposes.

False dichotomy. It's not either-or, it's ALL OF THE ABOVE. I want the federal government to cut its spending across the board.

By the way, the Military is one of the VERY FEW things the Constitution MANDATES and you might want to focus on things that are not MANDATED.

Look, I know the Constitution mandates a navy and raising armies. But it's beside the point.

I know I'm losing this argument because both the military and NASCAR are sacred cows. So I probably should just shut up about this.

You win! Have a happy weekend.

29 posted on 02/18/2011 3:31:08 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: backwoods-engineer

No, you weren’t losing and make a very good point. There is a lot of waste in the military that could be cut without affecting overall efficiency and probably have enough left to give our troops a raise.

To my knowledge, Nascar does not receive any federal tax dollars, other than the advertising. The tracks and roads to and from are at least partially tax payer funded, but it’s more on a local level.


30 posted on 02/18/2011 3:48:15 PM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: backwoods-engineer
I know I'm losing this argument because both the military and NASCAR are sacred cows.

I am retired military and I just love the taste of cows!

lol

You do bring up some good points but, in the scheme of things, there are way bigger fish to fry than the real, tangible benefits the military realizes from money spent on Nascar advertising.

I've been going to the races here at Las Vegas for 8+ years. This track is a stones throw from Nellis AFB. The military schedules their events to coincide with race weekend, the fan gets two shows for the price of one...you get to watch the F-15 taking off, race the 24 car down the back stretch. This is the home of the USAF Thunderbirds - Sunday is just flat out amazing. First ya get to see the air show (no additional charge), then the ground show.

Nellis AFB support has been huge for race weekend, frequency management, air space management (helo's from the strip), traffic, parking, etc.)

And every year there is a mass induction ceremony, folks enlisting in the USAF, in front of a most appreciative crowd.

This town loves the military. This town loves Nascar.

And we be just one track on the circuit!

Nascar and the military have a great relationship. Nascar drivers visit the troops overseas, do fund raising efforts for families, etc.

The military gets a whole lot in return for their advertising / sponsorship $$.

This is not the place to look and play bean counter.

32 posted on 02/18/2011 5:45:27 PM PST by LasVegasMac (Have ya hit 'em in the a$$, Never let off the gas 'til ya rolled into Victory Lane?)
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To: backwoods-engineer

I was not looking to “win” but it was a genuine question as to your objection.

I fully agree fedzilla is spending our money on things they have no legal authority to do. All foreign aid for example.

I just could not fully understand if on this issue the objection was to NASCAR or Advertising in general. If it was just to NASCAR I would have to disagree as according to the Military they are getting the biggest bang for the buck from that venue.

If on the other hand your objection is to military advertising in general that is worthy of honest and civil debate. IMO, if advertising dollars were fully cut off, then another method would be required for recruiting and I would not be in favor of the draft.


33 posted on 02/19/2011 7:52:20 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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