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To: Kenny Bunk; little jeremiah; EDINVA; mojitojoe; dalight; bushpilot; jamese777

“If I had a dollar for every elected Republican who has uttered the “Born in Hawaii” mantra, Freerepublic would never have another fundraiser. I have not heard one (1)elected Republican even approach the “Natural Born Citizen” issue. On the talk radio side, an almost unbroken wall of silence. Mark Levin wrote a book about the Constitution, but he has no commentary on Article II. Since he also wrote a book about his dog, I must assume his dog ate Article II from his copy of he COTUS. But he is not alone. The powerful Limbaugh? a few jibes about the birth certificate brouhahah. About NBC, precisely nothing. Hannity? Nothing. O’Reilly (who is an operative of the Democrat Party) mockery. Coulter? Ditto. That, by the cold light of dawn, is where we are with this.”

Yes, it is lonely when you are the only honest defenders of the Constitution and the American way of life. After all, conservatism has long argued the value of Vattel. Why, I remember Buckley talking about him...

OR, OR, OR - you are simply WRONG about what the Constitution says. Even Vattel didn’t say ‘natural born citizen’ until 10 years AFTER the Constitution was written! The phrase, at the time the Constitution was written, had an established legal meaning. Until you think about what the Founders wrote, instead of pretending they wrote something else, you will continue to be lonely.

“With the exception of a few state legislators who have loudly promised, although not delivered, to enact eligibility legislation at the state level, not one Republican Congressman, not one Senator, not one governor, not one state AG has uttered a word of support to us.”

And you can’t imagine why? The only reason you can come up with is that EVERYONE is a traitor?

There is a lady near where I live who keeps buying and selling horses. She buys a good horse, rides it a while, decides it is poorly trained and disobedient, and sells it - and then buys another. As our farrier says, “After the 3rd horse, you’d think she realize the problem isn’t the horse but the rider!”

Maybe the problem isn’t with the GOP & talk radio, but with birthers?


292 posted on 02/20/2011 3:22:46 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: Mr Rogers; little jeremiah; EDINVA; mojitojoe; dalight; bushpilot; jamese777
Cruel. But actually somewhat fair.

So I have a suggestion. Since there are divergent points of view on this matter (NSS), since the legal steps that can be taken are being taken, and since it is unlikely that these legal steps will bear fruit at anytime soon, perhaps we ought to concentrate more on the activities of those we have managed to elect. 2011 and 2012 can see no change in the major power ratios of the various branches of government, so our job becomes not Obama Removal, it is Obama Containment until 2012, and selection of his replacement by election, even if he decides not to run.

In the meantime, those of us who wish the constitutional matter ruled upon must support the BETTER legal teams attempting this difficult task in any way we can, including financially. The objectives are: having the case heard on its merits, getting Col. Lakin out of jail, and figuring out exactly who our POTUS is in a legal manner that will convince others, at the very least, to consider not voting for him or those who support him. Again, IMHO, it is miraculous that we are in Supreme court conference ...again ... with the whole world against us. We have a great shot. But in the meantime, there's a country to run.

The POVs expressed by Jamese and Mr. Rogers, in my mind anyway, do not express support for Obama. They are a realistic look into the beliefs behind successful strategies the other side (aka The Dark Side)has used to keep the constitutional issues off the legal table so far, and so are most useful.

The country has been dealt a very bad hand, and so have we. We have to play it smarter. We lose the next two years, the country loses.

295 posted on 02/20/2011 6:23:51 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (With a friend like Obama, a country needs no enemies.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Who knew, except you, that the Constitution was written in the 1740’s, 10 years before Vattel published the “Law of Nations?” And who are we to take the authority of Story, John Marshall and St. George Tucker, Daniel Ramsay, Chief Justice Waite and others before taking yours. You continue to mislead and misinform. You must get a reward. What is it, a bale of hay?


307 posted on 02/20/2011 10:54:26 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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