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To: bluecat6

Actually this is wrong (again).

There are two types of Citizenships natural and non-natural. You may be ‘born’ a citizen and be a citizen right out of womb. But if you relied on any positive law made by man to have the citizenship right from birth they you are not a natural citizen.

If you rely on the 14th Amendment you are citizen from the very moment of birth. And thus you are a “born Citizen”. That is you have your Citizenship “from birth”. But you are not a “natural citizen”. As we know “natural Citizens” are citizens from their lineage with their Citizen Father.

See these links. The first one mis-uses the terms (using incorrect hyphens and Capitalization. But it is the best document for showing the correct and accurate meaning of the term “natural born Citizen” used in Article II. The second one is an outstanding post in another forum. It is does a marvelous job of explaining this in detail.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18042838/NATURAL-BORN-CITIZEN-THE-MOST-CONCLUSIVE-DEFINITION

http://www.gruntsmilitary.com/board/showthread.php?p=54195

Here are the jewels from this outstanding post:

“Article II “natural born Citizen” is a unique construct that is not defined in English Common law, or U.S. Positive Law, but is defined solely in Natural Law and just declared in the Positive Law at Article II in order to be protected.”

As you can see - Positive Law, the law you keep refering to simply does not apply in order to protect the perversion of the role.

“Whenever there is a foreign father, then the political rights and membership of the children in the mother’s society are in question, and must be adjudicated and secured solely by the Positive Law via statute. Any citizenship or political rights must be defined by statutory authority due to the competing superior Natural Law jurisdiction of the father. The father’s Natural Law jurisdiction is always considered to be the superior controlling jurisdiction and forces the mother to be under the Positive Law jurisdiction for describing or securing any political rights or membership in the mother’s society.”

Since Natural Law is superior to Positive Law there is ALWAYS a problem with a foreign father and loyalty that Positive law can not be relied upon to completely fix. If you have foreign father there is always a concern of loyalty.

“Therefore your place of birth or the status of your mother are irrelevant as long as you have a citizen father.”

“Any loyalties or allegiances that are derived from foreign soil or a foreign mother at birth, are only statutory in nature due to the Positive Law jurisdictions that are controlling in such matters, and so they are not inherited loyalties or allegiances from a citizen father due to the Laws of Nature for the reasons outlined above. “

And for a list of all types of Citizens see here:

http://usa-the-republic.com/mark%20of%20beast/AppendixC.htm


All you’ve done is link and quote personal opinions that don’t carry the force of law.

If anything in your post was constitutionally accurate, the US Supreme Court would have issued the requested injunction against Obama being on the ballot in 2008 in Berg v Obama.
They didn’t and they haven’t ruled Obama to be ineligible as a natural born citizen in 12 different appeals.


219 posted on 02/18/2011 7:28:22 PM PST by jamese777
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To: jamese777; Mr Rogers

One trick ponies.

So, apparently your position is:

IF, as many believe, there are unique and unprecendented notable irregularities with the history and possible Constitutional eligibility of Barry Barack Dunham Hussien Soetoro Obama,

and whether cowardice/inertia/intimidation is preventing a govt body, court/Congress/DOJ, etc., with the authority to refrain from seeking answers to said possible irregularities to verify that our Constitution and the rule of law are intact and preserved in the man holding the office of world’s most powerful leader ..

that’s acceptable to you?

Especially now, with this country and the world on fire, with anarchy threatening and America and our freedoms being destroyed more every day by this alien occupier ?

And you’ll just spend your endless wind here, doing nothing more than countering any research offered here to seek possible clues and answers to this monstrous and despicable puzzle that threatens the very survival of America as we know it ?

Are you also sympatico with the Wisconsin legislators who ran out of state, white stripes on their cowardly backs, evading and shamefully abrogating their honorable civic engagement, mocking those with righteous intent and honor to their country, because it was easier to run and fling lies and mockery than deal with an uncomfortable showdown ?

That there may be no govt authority or official with the courage to get these answers does not invalidate the actual facts of the TRUTH. The truth just IS, whatever it is. As Americans, it is our right to have it, our solemn obligation to seek it.

God forbid I should ever have to occupy a foxhole with you.


223 posted on 02/18/2011 9:36:38 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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