[Logical me]

Its becoming clear where the establishment republicans come down in all this.

Don't hold much value judgments from the Republicans. Most of them are equally corrupt and do not value the Constitution.

[skeeter]

Asking an entrenched republican to oppose the democrats statism is like asking a union member to refuse a pay increase they know their employer cannot afford. It takes an ideologically motivated true believer.

Useful to remember the next time the moderates speak of 'compromise'. The time for all that is over - we're too far gone now.