Posted on 02/15/2011 11:11:02 AM PST by broken_arrow1
The federal gubmint isn’t spying on you. Unless you’ve been talking to Osama on the phone or getting emqails from Al-Zawhiri. If not, and they are still spying on you, then it has nothing to do with the Patriot Act.
Paul/Paul 2012. But more likely Rand Paul 2016 or 2020 or 2024.
Not sure about Keene. The Palinistas were calling him a RINO gay lover for the last few weeks, but I haven’t investigated their claims.
I’m not arguing that the Patriot Act is the single worse federal law on this subject. I don’t know every law and what each particular law allows fedgov to do.
I just want less government.
Considering your results re: Palin, I'm not holding out a lot of hope for you.
I want even less gov’t than libertarians do. But what I also want is highly efficient gubmint doing the tasks it is supposed to do. Defend against enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC, including counter-terrorism. I want a non-Politically correct, no rock unturned, absolute snuffing of domestic jihadis. And if roving wiretaps and secret warrants and bugging Mosques and voicemail intercepts are needed, then they are needed.
Considering fringe elements within the "libertarian" label want to do away with organized governments altogether, that is just more BS from you.
I’m not talking about fringe elements. There are fringe elements of conservatives that think Flouride in the drinking water was a government conspiracy and that Harry Truman & Ike were communist agents.
I’m not a Libertarian. I’m a Constitutional Conservative.
Libertarians can support Roe V Wade. I’m against Roe V Wade.
Constitutional Conservatives / Constitutionalists are more concerned about making sure that what the FedGov wants to do is authorized by the Constitution.
Libertarians are a little more concerned about state laws limiting freedom. I like the idea of different laws in different states. It makes evil Globalist plans harder to implement in the states.
The Libertarian Party and the Constitutionalist Party are both real (but small) political parties, and they agree on much but not all.
Ron Paul was obviously a Libertarian in 1988, when he ran against the first RINO Bush, who went on to raise taxes and then lose.
But his views are closer to Constitutional Conservatism now than Libertarianism.
At CPAC, Gary Johnson got 6% of the vote. He came in 3rd.
Gary Johnson is a libertarian. That’s 6% who voted for the Libertarian instead of the Constitutional Conservative Ron Paul. That 6% preferred the Libertarian (Johnson). 30% preferred the Constitutional Conservative (Paul), 4% preferred Bachmann, 3% preferred Palin. 6%, more than anybody but Paul and Romney, felt Ron Paul was not Libertarian enough to vote for.
Now, the reason why Ron Paul’s numbers and Gary Johnsons numbers were so high is due to efforts to get CFL (Campaign for Liberty) members to that event. That’s Ron Paul’s organization, but some members of that organization are pure Libertarians who prefer a pure Libertarian candidate. That pure Libertarian is not Ron Paul, it’s Gary Johnson.
Gary Johnson (6% of the vote at CPAC) is a Libertarian.
Ron Paul (30% of the vote at CPAC) is a Constitutional Conservative.
They don’t agree on everything.
Ron Paul is Pro-Life, I don’t think Johnson is.
Ron Paul wants to protect the borders. I’m not sure about Johnson.
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Not all of them are pro-choice. Those like me see it as a human Rights issue. If it’s human and you kill it, it’s murder.
No idea who Gary is, but if he’s pro-choice... He won’t have my vote.
When I see Paul introduce bills to defund and sh*tcan the Dept of Ed, HUD, Fannie/Freddie, the DOE, BATF, FDA, EPA, OSHA, Agriculture, ACF, ANA, AoA, NEA, NEH, BPA, BLM, Reclamation, civil rights, BTTT, BCFP, BEA, BILA, BTS, Botanic Gardens, Centers for nutrition policy, Safety and Hazardous materials, and 1000 more worthless, unconstitutional departments, bureaus and agencies, then I’ll know he’s a constitutional conservative like me.
Instead, what are his latest attemps at legislation the last few years aside from some tax cuts and tax code tweaks(which I applaud)?
Prescription Drug Affordability Act
Identity Theft Protection Act
Make College Affordable Act
Industrial Hemp Farming Act
Hope Plus Scholarship Act
Enhanced Options for Rural Healthcare Act
The Police Security Protection Act
H.R.4829 : To authorize the Secretary of the Army to convey the surface estate of the San Jacinto Disposal Area to the city of Galveston, Texas.
Energy Efficient and Environmentally Friendly Automobile Tax Credit Act of 2008
Nursing Home Emergency Assistance Act
Parental Consent Act of 2005
H.R.579 : To lift the trade embargo on Cuba, and for other purposes.
Humanitarian Food and Medicine Export Act
H.R.2511 : To postpone the 2005 round of defense base closure and realignment until the completion of certain specified activities by the Secretary of Defense and the Secretary of Homeland Security.
Cures Can Be Found Act of 2005
Texas Educator Retirement Equity Act
Improve Interoperable Communications for First Responders Act of 2005
Help Hospitals Recover Act of 2005
Senior Citizen’s Improved Quality of Life Act
Steel Financing Fairness Act
Etc etc
The Paultards can’t find their ass with both hands, much less comprehend the constitution.
BTW, bunghole, you might want to be here a few weeks and absorb the fact that this is a conservative, not a liberaltarian, website before you spout off.
Right now he’s fighting to Audit the Fed.
I’d like to see links to Ron Paul voting for all those things.
Hey, maybe you’ll get me on this stuff. These are all new laws that Ron Paul voted for huh?
Not voted for; they are the bills he wrote and proposed to Congress. Some are just fine, as far as they go. But none take an axe to the hundreds upon hundreds of unconstitutional (and dare I say effin worthless) bureaus, agencies and departments. He complains alot, but manages to be one of the top earmarkers for his district, while claiming the moral highground of voting no on the overall bill, knowing it will pass anyway.
I’d give him alot more respect if he showed the kind of will power to sh*tcan agencies and bureaus he does for larding up his district.
Yeah, when you’re new, you don’t want to be attacking people who have been here a long time, even though the Palin supporters would like to see him banned.
Remember, Bush was a RINO.
There will be plenty of arguments on the merits of Ron Paul or Rand Paul. Being new and being in favor of the Pauls is not going to make friends. Hang out, stick around, focus on attacking Romney and the Bush RINO Kristol Rove candidates.
FR has moved away from the idea that we have to defend Israel by giving money to Israel and all of Israels enemies. It hasn’t moved away from that entirely, but some.
If the 3 front runners, the 3 top choices are Paul, Palin and Bachmann, we’re in pretty good shape. If they’re Romney, Huckabee and Gingrich, we’re in bad shape.
Palin and Bachmann should be far superior to Ron Paul supporters than Mitt Huckrich.
I haven’t the slightest idea what any of those bills did or were intended to do. For all I know those bills were intended to cut the size of the fedgov.
The way to test is to see what he voted for.
Not quite.
Some are tax credits, some are federal assistance programs, some are just local oddities. Nonetheless, he obviously is in favor of each and every one. He wrote and submitted them for law. ANd why don’t you have a slightest idea what they were intended for? You are making the claim that Paul is a Constitutional Conservative, so you should know what his record of not only voting, but more importantly, of introducing legislation.
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