Posted on 02/15/2011 11:11:02 AM PST by broken_arrow1
Way to go Rand!
I too do not want to live in a police state.
It's you who are full of crap.
I guess Bachmann is in favor of a police state.
-1 for Bachmann.
You’re doing a great job for Bachmann, keep it up.
In “many” instances, our Border Patrolmen act on a hunch and check immigration status despite their nannystate pole-smoking boss’ anti-racial profiling guidelines.
95% of conservatives support the Patriot Act. It is liberals and liberaltarians who don’t. OF course if you like the Kucinich/Paul view of the constitution, have at it.
I strongly believe Congress must act now to rein in the Patriot Act, limit its use to national security concerns and prevent it from developing "mission creep" into areas outside of national security. Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House ("The Policies of War: Refocus the mission," San Francisco Chronicle, 11/11/03)
Funny. I thought he was a RINO.
The fact is: Supporters of the Patriot Act are just aiding and abetting Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder to Gate-Rape more Americans...and turn the US into some type of Police State.
Since no one wants to secure the Border....no one really wants to stop Islamic Terrorism anyway. You will not stop Islamic Terrorism with open borders and the Patriot Act
Source? Proof? Or is it more pissant butt-smoke?
And my preferred view of the Constitution is this:
Amendment the Fourth:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Yea, that pesky Constitution thingy.
Notice he didn’t say get rid of it. And I said 95% of conservatives, not RINOs.
Wants you to keep pushing for him to continue to have these "powers" in the Patriot Act.
Nice going Ace...
The funny thing is, the Patriot requires warrants.
I guess the tea party, who believes in limited consitutional government, is a tiny fraction, no more than 5%, of Conservatives.
What exactly was the Conservative message again?
Smaller Government except for a massive police state?
The Patriot Act makes it very difficult to explain why Republicans and Conservatives are actually the party of less Government.
Many political arguments between 2 people in a public space are not to try to persuade the person you’re arguing with, but to persuade the people listening. Democrats know full well that the Patriot Act is a very effective tool for them.
Democrats know to bring it up every single time we say we’re for limited government. And we have no answer for it. It really makes our lives difficult as political messengers.
And people who believe in limited constitutional government are not the people who want to reply “oh, you like Muslims and terrorism”. We’re trying to get the message of limited constitutional government out there, and the Republicans just tarnish the brand.
amen
The tea party is what? RINO?
Limited Constitutional Government. That’s what the tea party stands for.
What is the Republican message now?
1) Smaller government, limited constitutional government.
2) Ignore 1), we’re full of it
The federal goverment spying on you is not limited constitutional government.
How about David Keene?
"The Bush administration argues convincingly that roving wiretaps, reading people's e-mail, putting video cameras on every corner and perusing their library habits will make it easier to catch terrorists before they act?the problem is that once all this is in place, we will no longer be living in the same country we lived in prior to Sept. 11.". David Keene, Chairman of the American Conservative Union ("Ashcroft: Good Intentions on a Bad Road" The Hill, 7/31/2002)
Or doesn't he count either?
Some would argue Keene sucks because of the gays at CPAC.
But it’s hard to argue that the guy in charge there (formerly) doesn’t count as a conservative.
I really don’t want to hear Bill Kristol’s talking points anywhere ever again.
I don’t think we’re allowed to discuss the details of that particular attack. TV cameras showed the 2nd plane hit live.
Too bad the cameraman didn’t have a missile instead of a camera. We just have to ignore that. It causes too much stress for the brain to handle.
Most people want the federal government to have less power in the area of drugs.
Most conservatives want the federal government to have less power. What is the tea party again?
What would be the problem with Obamacare again? I thought that giving the federal government more power was bad.
Would you agree with this statement
“I think most of people want the government to have as much power in the area of national security investigations as they do in the areas of drugs and organized crime and health care.”
We needed additional tools to fight Al Queda. Everyone on our side is ok with that. It's when this crap gets used against us that the BS flag needs to be thrown and those tools melted down and turned into something else.
It was bad law hastily written and needs to go away if it can't be brought back in-line with the Constitution.
Without the Constitution, we don't really have a government. Just a Thugocracy.
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