Posted on 02/12/2011 6:18:30 PM PST by kristinn
I respect your opinion. I don’t agree. I’m old enough to have seem politicians claim to be US patriots (complete with mandatory flag pins), but instead they worked to sell out the USA to Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, China, S Korea, and K street while tearing up our Constitution in the name of “security”.
How this nutcase keeps getting re-elected is one of life’s greatest mysteries. His district must contain the world’s greatest concentration of screwballs outside of San Francisco. Good Move YAF.
Why doesn’t the Tea Party target this whackjob?
His voting record in Congress disagrees with your assessment. If you have an example of his voting in violation of Constitutional principle, I, for one, would like to see it. He has a long history of congressional votes, so surely you can find one. Since you claim he only pretends to be a defender of the Constitution. This will be interesting to watch.
I must admit I do know of one, which he has already admitted mistake. You see, he believes congress should follow it's constitutional duty to declare war before sending troops off to war. He claims he was promised they knew where OBL was, and that they would capture him. So he went against the Constitutional requirement to get OBL in Afghanistan. He voted for the resolution authorizing the President to send troops to Afghanistan. Again, our Constitution requires congress to declare war. So, by signing onto that resolution, he was in violation.
If you know of another, then by all means, bring it on.
PS They don’t call him Dr. No, for nothing. So, happy hunting. I will await your findings.
“Why doesn’t the Tea Party target this whackjob?”
Here’s a widely known secret. Ron Paul helped influence the creation of the Tea Party.
If you recall, his money bomb was held on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party. Visit teaparty07.com to learn about it.
The Tea Party, IMO, is about Constitutional govt, and limited govt. Whatever names you want to label Ron Paul, he is in line with the principles of the Tea Party. So maybe, just maybe, this is why they don’t target “this whackjob.”
“The problem with that theory is that big money doesn’t make money in times of peace, and for today’s politicians on the take, making money for big money is most important. They don’t care about average Americans except to have them serve their interests. It ain’t difficult to figure out.”
Now your sounding a little bit like a liberal. While war costs a lot of money and like every other government program leaves a lot of private interest willing to line the pockets of incumbents in position where they have both motive and money to do so. It also more importantly feeds into the ego and greed for power of politicians.
While we have forces stationed all around the world to able to intervene into world’s events abroad they have power.(acting like police men) They in Washington get a very strong if not sometimes dictoral stay on how them events unfold. This is something they will argue with some truth is useful to the United States.(just as it is also most valuable to them who directly wield that power)
But is also something, as people like Paul point out, that is extremely expensive for the we American people to support.
Its not cheap maintaining a Gigantic military with deployments all around the world. and for what? so that the ego’s of Washington D.C. politicians can be soothed? Or worse yet so that ungrateful foreigners don’t have to provide for the full cost of their own defense?
I think Paul might be onto something insomuch that the usefulness of this program is perhaps outweighed by its financial and otherwise burden upon we the American people.(I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks about us).
On the extreme end maybe the military should fall back to defending only those people who pay for their support(we the American people) and the country’s we deem to be both allies and prepositional contributors to our defense as well.
Agreed. Security is not just about having a strong military, it is also about having a nation that is fiscally strong and solvent. Our never ending imperialist adventures and our charitable military defense of countries that are more solvent than the USA need reexamined in view of our real fiscal stress.
This is 2011 not 1961. It was a different time in 1961 for the USA. We were numero uno in the world by most measures. There is only one explanation of how the USA has declined so precipitously in 50 years....we’ve had 50 years of incompetent self serving political leadership.
I doubt that many in the Tea Party agree that we should ignore the obvious threat that Islam represents and has always represented. It that is what the “party” believes in then it is no solution at all.
Nor do I believe that it agrees with the Leftist view of our foreign policy.
I agree with you on that. One thing I do know is that foreigners are scared to death of the Tea Party. Perhaps they fear their aid will be cut off.
One other thing I know is that we can't buy friends, and shouldn't be in the business of trying to buy friends. Since all the evidence suggests it doesn't work.
We supported OBL until he turned on us. We supported Saddam until he turned on us. We supported Hamas to counter Arafat. Then they got elected. We supported the Mubarak regime until his demise.
I'm thinking we need to re-consider our foreign policy.
When I say “we supported,” I am talking about “we the taxpayers.” It was the idiots in charge of our money that supported these dictators, and terrorists. So, to be clear, we the taxpayers had no say. Since if I, as a taxpayer, had any say in these matters, I would have said, hell no.
It is a complete falsehood, AND YOU SHOULD KNOW IT, that we “supported” OBL. In FACT, we supported his rival, Massoud, who he killed right before 9/11 via suicide photographer. But you probably are going to claim that Bush sent the planes into the World Trade Center.
It is also false that we “supported” Saddam in any significant way outside providing his military with intelligence when he was fighting Iran. Almost all of his weapons and equipment were from France and Russia with some engineering help from Germany. We did not put him into power or help him stay there. You should also know this if you have any real interest in foreign affairs.
Nor did we support Hamas against Arafat.
These accusations are straight out of the Code Pink playbook. They verge on the delusional.
As to any government by Tea Party cutting off foreign aid, it won’t happen. Since most of the funds are actually spent in this country it would have a negative economic impact. And it would serve no real purpose except to make trouble for anyone who is allied with us.
You may not be able to BUY friends but you can help them.
In 1940 the majority of “taxpayers” and voters were totally opposed to preparing for the war which was virtually certain to arrive. It showed they didn’t have a clue as to what was really happening. I am sure you and Ron Paul would have been among the leadership in that movement.
Isolationism is impossible and was not what Washington (Hamilton) meant with the Farewell Address from which the philosophy is claimed to be derived. That message was actually an argument against secessionist feelings which could produce a civil war should we have gotten involved in the Anglo-French wars. Had we intervened for the English the Slavers would have revolted. Had we intervened for the French New England would have.
You can thank the voters for that. Either they are too stupid to know what is going on or they stupidly support it. Either way they are at fault.
That's good!
Robert Taft supported US recognition of Israel before and after 1947 and supported foreign aid for Israel.
Yes, and he quite clearly noted that it was "at this time" or similar (I don't recall the specific words, but that's the essence) and for "reconstruction" of Israel. He laid that out quite clearly, implying he favored temporary support.
Those claiming to be Taft supporter are woefully ignorant of Taft’s positions.
Perhaps, though I don't think I know of any Taft supporters, myself. Do you?
Re: I oppose all foreign aid including Israel.
USA is 14+ trillion dollars in debt or $47,000/person
Israel is $90 billion or only $12K per person and 46% of GDP.
Egypt is $31 billion or $371 DOLLARS per person
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
Why are we, the most indebted nation on Earth (USA), borrowing money to give to other countries? If the gutless politicians are afraid to make these choices then let it up to the people. The absurdity of us Americans going deeper into debt to give to other nations, even if they buy our stuff goes beyond the pale. It still takes money from our treasury that we don’t have.
Israel is in far better fiscal shape than the USA. They have subsidized health care and subsidized higher education.
Egypt is only $300 per person in debt. They could liquidate Mubarak’s private stash and his Gulfstream fleet and get close to making Egypt debt free.
Communication was not the problem in 1940 unfortunately it was the Republicans putting their heads in the sand and refusing to face realities. Those pretending that we can isolate ourselves from foreign affairs and that radical Islamic killers are no danger are just another incarnation of that spirit.
Just like ron paul playing lip service to the Constitution while he wants to surrender to every threat our country faces.
He did everything he could while serving in the Air Force to undermine the war effort in Vietnam.
He has voted against every defense budget (including funding for improved healthcare for the military) since he came crawling back to congress, yet he claims to support the troops. He’s voted against funding for body armor, voted against funding the purchase of ammunition and other supplies such as food for the troops who are deployed.
We’ve got two words to describe someone like him.... “Blue Falcon”, and “Buddy” is only part of it.
And politicians are only part of the blame for jobs being shipped offshore. The rest lies with the corrupt and greedy unions such as the AFL-CIO who have made it too costly for companies to even operate here especially in the non-right to work states such as Michigan, California, New York, etc.
“Ron Paul helped influence the creation of the Tea Party.”
Yeah right, and I’m related to Paul Revere.
“We supported OBL until he turned on us.”
No we didn’t.
There were TWO distinct Mujahideen groups who fought the Soviets in Afghanistan.
The first were made up of Afghans and they were supported by the United States and our allies. This first group later became the Northern Alliance.
The second group (which UBL, KSM, and al-zawahiri belonged to) was supported by the arab states. This group later became the taliban and alqaeda.
And we never supported hammas either.
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