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You said: “You should read more of what he wrote and what other historians write to see if this is part of a pattern in his work that isn't found in other historians before coming to a judgment like that.”

I did and have. In order that you understand the magnitude of Guelzo’s use of blogs and non-footnoted publications to create a false reservoir of "factual" sources of support for his contentions, just simply do a search using the term “political economy”. I found 52 postings, 51 belonging to Guelzo...all listing his article, and it was posted on all sorts of locations...he really went to some trouble to get it where it went..

He essentially flooded the search engine platter. No one else except one provided any information on Lincoln's behavior. The one that was cited was the one I provided several posts ago that was either a misinformed comment or more likely one that was ridiculing Lincoln.

Next, regarding your long post on Lincoln...that is irrelevant to the article.

You said: “You might not automatically assume that his reported comment about Lincoln being “great” on political economy was wholly tongue in cheek.”

Taken in the context of the quote, how would you explain it?

“I wouldn't cite it as evidence in the way that Guelzo does,...”

Of course you wouldn't. It would be totally absurd.

You said: “..but there is a possible gray area there that you didn't acknowledge.”

And what would that be?

You said: “But though I didn't intend it personally look at the sentence of yours immediately above your denial, ‘Guelzo ought to be exposed for what he is.’ And you don't think of yourself as some sort of enforcer?”

That is such tripe that does not deserve any response other than to say that I expect you are looking forward to the next “Dirty Harry” movie starring Carl Bernstein.

153 posted on 03/04/2011 8:38:32 AM PST by PeaRidge
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To: PeaRidge
In order that you understand the magnitude of Guelzo’s use of blogs and non-footnoted publications to create a false reservoir of "factual" sources of support for his contentions, just simply do a search using the term “political economy”. I found 52 postings, 51 belonging to Guelzo...all listing his article, and it was posted on all sorts of locations...he really went to some trouble to get it where it went..

He essentially flooded the search engine platter. No one else except one provided any information on Lincoln's behavior.

The laughs never end with you, Doris.

There may have been a blip yesterday or in the days before when blogs and aggregator sites picked up Guelzo's article, but such things don't last. I did a search for "Lincoln political economy" today and found all kinds of things unrelated to his article, including the worst trash from DiLorenzo & Co. Of course, since it's more recent, "Mr. Lincoln's Economics Primer" came up first, but it didn't block out other content.

You should know that "political economy" isn't the commonest of phrases nowadays (you should know, since you made some pretty questionable claims about political economy in your earlier post). By featuring the phrase so prominently and frequently in his article, Guelzo made it likely that any search for that phrase in connection with his article would lead to the article. But if you searched for "Lincoln economics" yesterday or the day before you would have found quite a mix of articles from different points of view (as I did searching for "Lincoln political economy" today).

But the laughs don't end there. You guys are quick to fault others for confining their research to what's available on line. By confessing that your research involved googling, you've essentially put a "kick me" sign on your own back. I won't take advantage of your mistake though. But seriously, try to get a look at Gabor Boritt's book. Lincoln and the Economics of the American Dream and don't rely on google seaches alone. Much of it is even available at Google Books.

And there's more! You've may finally have found out how the rest of us feel. There have been times when googling "Lincoln tariffs" or "civil war tariffs" only yielded pages and pages of Rockwellite or sub-Rockwellite editorializing and scarcely a pro-Lincoln or balanced or objective article for pages and pages. But nobody cried in public about it or said it was unfair. Now I've done those searches and come up with a better menu of articles, but "flooding the search engine platter" is something Rockwellites and neo-confederates have been doing for a long time.

That is such tripe that does not deserve any response other than to say that I expect you are looking forward to the next “Dirty Harry” movie starring Carl Bernstein.

I don't know what you're trying to say there. I suspect Woodward and Bernstein thought of themselves as some kind of enforcers themselves.

If Allen Guelzo is becoming another Tommy DiLorenzo, throwing together hackwork and promoting it relentlessly, he may be reproved, but given the fine work he's done in the past, pointing out what he's been capable of in his earlier work will do a lot more than playing the Grand Inquisitor, a prosecuting attorney, or a two-bit mob enforcer.

154 posted on 03/05/2011 11:00:51 AM PST by x
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