Posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:10 AM PST by broken_arrow1
It was the Congressional version of never count your chickens before they're hatched.
And when you do on Capitol Hill, you can sometimes lose a vote.
The newly-minted House Republican leadership botched a vote Tuesday night when it presumed it had the necessary support to reauthorize the Patriot Act, the anti-terrorism law imposed after September 11th.
The GOP expected little trouble with the bill. So Republicans brought the Patriot Act to the floor under a special procedure that requires a two-thirds vote for passage. It's a maneuver that's typically reserved for non-controversial legislation or bills that carry wide support.
Renewing that Patriot Act had certainly had wide support. 277 members voted in favor of the measure compared to just 148 nays.
But that's short of the two-thirds supermajority. Which means the House defeated the bill.
With 425 members voting, 284 yea votes were necessary to cross the two-thirds threshold for passage. 26 Republicans voted against renewing the law.
Democrats opposed to the Patriot Act were gleeful at the GOP miscalculation.
"Look at the ‘Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."
Eight Republicans whom the GOP regards as freshmen voted against the reauthorization. That's precisely the number of yea votes Republicans needed to pass the bill.
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) used to set the schedule when Democrats were in the majority and is familiar with floor meltdowns like the one Tuesday night.
But despite the misstep, Republicans blamed Democrats for the defeat.
(Excerpt) Read more at politics.blogs.foxnews.com ...
“Because I want the Govt to have every tool necessary to stop another 9/11?”
“Every tool” is a police state.
Seriously
You have yet to show how monitoring my email would make the United States safer.
I've been here forever and I agree with Kroll.
And I'm damn glad they killed the intrusive Patriot Act. Look at all the If-it-saves-the-life-of-one-child arguments being tossed around by alleged conservatives. The powers of the Government are to be jealously watched and limited, no matter who is in control of the White House.
Disappointed in Michelle Bachmann.
Read “Never Again”, John Ashcroft’s book, and you will learn more than 30 names of terrorists caught as a result of the Patriot Act.
How many “terrorists” have we captured in Afganistan and Iraq only to let them go from Gitmo, and then have them resurface fighting jihad against America once again? A number of about 25% comes to mind.
So what you need to do is get rid of the ACLU and the John Adams project...not the patriot act.
“What kind of “police state” allows 80 million of it’s citizens to legally own some 200 million weapons and carry them around on the streets??”
A police state that hasn’t gained complete control yet. Also one that limits the weapons those citizens can have to those which are less effective than their own.
Do you honestly trust your govt? All the time?
A police state that hasn’t gained complete control yet.
Uh-huh...
“Also one that limits the weapons those citizens can have to those which are less effective than their own.”
You can legally own a fully automatic 50 cal in most areas if you have a class 3 FFL.
Here..enlighten yourself...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqShRDJh470
Where the hell do you think you live?
Cuba?
This is AMERICA...if you arent lawfully exercising your rights it's your own damn fault.
Do you honestly trust your govt? All the time?
@#$% NO!
Thats why own guns....lots of guns...it's why I carry a gun and teach people how to carry guns...
I dont just talk about my rights...I PRACTICE them.
So tell me again what rights you think I gave up?
You can legally own a class III firearm which was manufactured before 1986 at a grossly inflated price.
A fully automatic 50 cal gun will probably run you at least $25,000. Heck an M-16 is going to cost more than $8,000.
Firearm ownership is only part of the picture. They won’t do you any good after the govt arrests you for putting something in an email.
You are telling us what you are giving up. We don’t have to say anything.
“You have yet to show how monitoring my email would make the United States safer.”
Your e-mail has been monitored already...hell everything you do online is recorded...dont you get it?
and the govt isnt doing it....
Your ISP is...a private company....
And you appearently dont understand how a FISA court warrant works...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Act
Your data is already recorded real time...you aggree to such as part of your sign up contract....the warrant is only to retrieve it...
Patriot act or not...the govt can get a warrant and survail you under the FISA act...
The Patriot act was to streamline the process in order to better follow unfolding JIHADIST terror plots such as 9/11.
The patriot act did not create the FISA court structure.
You can legally own a class III firearm which was manufactured before 1986 at a grossly inflated price.
A fully automatic 50 cal gun will probably run you at least $25,000. Heck an M-16 is going to cost more than $8,000.
LMAO...so you admit you can in fact legally own these weapons..
Yet above you made this outragious claim:
“Also one that limits the weapons those citizens can have to those which are less effective than their own.”
Firearm ownership is only part of the picture.
When they come for our guns...it’s game over...they lose...
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They won’t do you any good after the govt arrests you for putting something in an email.
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Paranoia.
I already dont put anything in an e-mail or POST anyting that would get me arrested...everything you do on the internet is recorded by your ISP...to think otherwise is niave..
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You are telling us what you are giving up. We don’t have to say anything.
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I have given up squat...you have yet to list even a single right I have supposedly given up...
Even the godamned terrorists have frickin rights now...
Get a clue and put down the glue.
The New world order isnt out to get you...johhny jihad IS.
You are jumping at shadows and ignoring the very real threat.
Key words there sport “court warrant “.
If the process is the same then why do they need the patriot act? Why does the FBI need the ability to set up surveillance on an American citizen without a warrant? Without ever telling the subject that they have been monitored.
Why?
‘The New world order isnt out to get you...johhny jihad IS.”
Hey sport, there isn’t much difference between the NWO and the muslims.
You are dishonest and I’m done with you.
Hey sport, there isn’t much difference between the NWO and the muslims.
You are dishonest and I’m done with you.
Cut and run.
No, I don’t have time to give free therapy to deranged people.
“You are dishonest and I’m done with you.”
And yet:
“No, I don’t have time to give free therapy to deranged people.”
I thought you were done with me....who’s dishonest now?
Name calling is the retort of a lost argument.
That was about the time you called me a communist.
People who make “Security over freedom” arguments with no other consideration are generally a)Sheep and b)Poor students of history. EVERY and I truly mean every, authoritarian govt. in history (dating back to a couple of thousand years) have used/overblown the fear of external threats as a convenient reason for increasing their stranglehold on power. Its like Power grab 101. An there are always suckers like you who buy one of the oldest con acts in the world like sheep.
LMAO...kroll?....rhymes with what?
“Firstly, a few Tea Party Patriots in the House agreed with the dems and disagreed with the RINO majority,”
So the tea party sided with the libatrds...
“so what does that make them?”
Niave.
” Second, when you run have no arguments to present, you must find comfort in logical fallacies.”
These colors dont run.....and I have sourced every point with clear information which is only met with scoffing, paranoia, and accusations.
So far the responces have been mostly namecalling with no provided sourcing for asserted statements...
There is clearly a pile on...and that’s fine..I cant stand my ground just fine on my own...
But just in case you need some CONSERVATIVE opion on the matter...here:
Perhaps you want to claim the Heritage Foundation is some left wing think take now?....are they a bunch of RINO’s too?
“People who make “Security over freedom” arguments with no other consideration are generally a)Sheep and b)Poor students of history. EVERY and I truly mean every, authoritarian govt. in history (dating back to a couple of thousand years) have used/overblown the fear of external threats as a convenient reason for increasing their stranglehold on power. Its like Power grab 101. An there are always suckers like you who buy one of the oldest con acts in the world like sheep.”
Vs:
“You have used a)Appeal to Fear, and. b)Circumstantial Ad Hominem.”
I bet you see no irony in this.
Well said.
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