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To: Liz; proxy_user
Most people / fund managers who have invested with Madoff didn't think he ran a Ponzi scheme (or they would withdraw money much earlier), they thought he was using front-running to get his "stable results" and his unspectacular (relative to hot-shot hedge funds who boasted 20% or more) annual returns of about 8%-12% allowed him to fly under the radar of SEC and FInRA.

He had a trading floor (practically a mini-exchange) which made front-running a distinct probability, and should have exposed him to more regulatory scrutiny, not less, as was the case (him being a good liberal Democrat, and all). That was "the well-known cloud over the head of Madoff" but he was audited by SEC only a few times, on outside tips, with only a slap on the wrist for "regulatory compliance" misdemeanors.

Dropping or reporting a client because someone heard something from someone at lunch? Investment banking (or many other industries) would not exist if that were the case, but that kind of hearsay "warnings" always make great headlines in lawsuit news.

There is no substance here, the better case can actually be made against SEC and FInRA. But Picard can't lose by filing these kinds of lawsuits against "deep pockets" that are not currently favored by public at large - he might get a settlement (ridiculous $5B in "damages" to his clients should be thrown out out immediately) because it keeps him "in business" and collecting legal fees for several years while it would cost JPMorgan (and other "deep pockets") millions in legal fees, time, reputation and potential business. That's not very different from modus operandi that cons Larry Milberg and Melvyn Weiss (of former Milberg Weiss Bershad & Schulman) used in their sleazy class action lawsuits, only here it's actually authorized by the SPIC:

From - NY, 2011 February 04

That comment actually proves that they didn't know about Bernie's Ponzi scheme - only that it "looked too good to be true" for them to invest with him. They didn't have the responsibility to do the same kind of due diligence for anyone else, or even disclose it (may even have been prevented from external disclosure by lack of evidence and potential "defamation" or "loss of business" lawsuits).

Quick dismissal of this kind of lawsuit would be a positive step against legal abuse; "clawback" process shouldn't be used for "fishing expeditions" and "lawsuits with intent to settle" based on nothing more than some "degree of separation" with the schemer.

21 posted on 02/06/2011 4:27:36 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy
From Lawsuit charges JPMorgan suspected, but ignored, Madoff fraud - NYP, By Chuck Bennett, Kaja Whitehouse and Bruce Golding, 2011 February 04
22 posted on 02/06/2011 5:01:50 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: Liz; Wiggins; ken5050; proxy_user
Looks like JPMorgan's lawyers figured this out:

From JPMorgan claims no wrongdoing in Madoff mess - NYP, 2011 February 09

Sounds familiar - this is effectively a "deep pockets" class action extortion suit à la Milberg Weiss; it's not within the letter, the spirit or the purview of the "clawback" law. A quick dismissal should put Picard in his place and back on track looking for the money and the real culprits / co-conspirators, not the scapegoats.

38 posted on 02/09/2011 11:23:32 PM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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