A Struggle to Disarm People Without Gun Rights

New York Times ^ | February 6, 2011 | ED CONNOLLY and MICHAEL LUO

[Second Amendment First]

So, do those judged mentally ill lose all their constitutional rights, or just some of them?

Should they be barred from purchasing knives, hammers and gasoline?

Should they just be locked up and controlled totally?

Who can answer these questions for me?

[Hang'emAll]

Who can answer these questions for me? ....

Obama. And the answer is “Yes we can.”

[samtheman]

Do those judged mentally ill still drive a car?

[rellimpank]

--would bet this will be reprinted in the Denver Post and Milwaukee Journal- Sentinel within a day--part of the ongoing but recently renewed anti-gun crusade---

[Peanut Gallery]

If it hadn’t been for a gun, they may argue, his mother would be saved. I counter that if he hadn’t had the gun, he would have found a knife, and she’d still be dead.

Of course, anything can be a potential weapon. Guns are just easy and so they get the blame for crimes.

[Senator John Blutarski]

..... And whenever it ultimately meets the convenience of the Left, vast sectors of the American public will magically be deemed mentally incompetent to possess firearms. Something psychologically creative and plausible like a threat of “mass hysteria” would probably serve nicely in their eyes.

[Repeal The 17th]

I am coming around to the line of thinking that
if a member of society should not be allowed on the street with a weapon;
then that member of society should not be allowed on the street.

[Senator John Blutarski]

..... The Left will then move on to regulating knives, as in the UK. Next stop - regulation of “blunt objects”.

[Vaquero]

So, do those judged mentally ill lose all their constitutional rights, or just some of them?

they use to just lock them up....

until the 80’s, at least here in NY...there was a plethora of State Mental Hospitals...I ought to know...I worked in one for 3 years on the night shift, full time, to pay for college...not a pleasant job...but just about anyone who publicly displayed ‘crazy’ behavior was warehoused there...and only late 70s early 80s recessions caused the state to rethink what they classified as ‘crazy’. the majority of those released or sent to halfway houses did not belong in the ‘bug house’...but a scary minority were released that should have been locked up and the key thrown away...the cretin in Arizona would have been put in classification.

[Erik Latranyi]

1) Our current system prohibits those found mentally dangeros from purchasing weapons.

2) Liberals in gov’t, who do not do their jobs, fail to prevent firearm purchases from happening or fail to notify authorities to confiscate the firearms from people found mentally dangerous.

3) Liberals see their failure as a reason to enact more laws, rather than make the current system work as it should.

[sonofagun]

The list had 18,374 names on it as of the beginning of this month — 15 to 20 are added a day — swamping law enforcement’s ability to keep up.

For a state the size of california, this seems a little underwhelming to me

[Second Amendment First]

I remember the state mental institutions. In high school I volunteered at the local one. We would shoot pool, play ping pong, etc. on recreation nights. Of course, they were not the violent ones. Most of these institutions were closed and the inmates released when the government deemed it cruel to involuntarily commit the mentally ill.

[Pit1]

That would be half of Cali and NYC. Find a liberal and take their gun away. Give it to me.

[Second Amendment First]

You mean like the large percentage of school age males labeled with ADD and put on psychotropic drugs?

[P.O.E.]

Ah, yes, the tried and true method of using a small aspect to wedge the camel’s nose under the tent.]

There are way larger problems in dealing with the mentally ill, from lack of treatment, availability of illegal drugs, to rights of those who recover, etc.

[P.O.E.]

Ah, yes, the tried and true method of using a small aspect to wedge the camel’s nose under the tent.]

There are way larger problems in dealing with the mentally ill, from lack of treatment, availability of illegal drugs, to rights of those who recover, etc.

[FourPeas]

Apparently “shall not be infringed”, really means infringement is OK as long as someone thinks its OK.

[FourPeas]

It depends on the state, AFAIK. Then again, driving a car isn’t guaranteed in the Bill of Rights.

[CPOSharky]

Who can answer these questions for me?

Declare that the desire to own a firearm is a mental disorder. Mission accomplished.

[Vaquero]

I worked in a moderately criminally insane ward as I was a strapping young lad(where did that go?)who looked like I could take care of myself....about 70% of the people on that ward did NOT belong out on the streets...we had a couple of Randle Patrick McMurphys who just were playing nuts to stay outta prison...some of those were dangerous, some not...I use to play cards with those...while I was there an attendant in a nearby ward of dangerous criminally insane had his head bashed in with a fire extinguisher while in the day room watching TV. if you were smart you sat in the day room with your back to a wall...

some people need to be locked up either for their own good, or for the rest of the population....Who determines this??? I don't know...obviously you would not want the Fort Hood Shrink, Dr Hasan, making that determination.....