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To: Ancesthntr
The law at the time was that you could be a citizen by birth with one parent being a non-citizen (BHO, Sr.) IF the parent who was a citizen (momma) had been a resident for at least 5 years after attaining the age of 16 (which manifestly wasn't true, since she wasn't yet 21 when BHO, Jr. was born) OR even if the citizen parent wasn't so qualified, if the child was born in the US. Since it is clear beyond any doubt that the father wasn't a citizen and also that his mother wasn't yet 21, the sole issue right now in determining if he was a NBC is the place of his birth

You are getting two things mixed up. What you are talking about above is what it takes to be ANY citizen of the United States. For Barack Obama to have been born a citizen at all, he would need one parent to be a citizen and a resident of the USA for 5 years after the age of 16.

If those were not met and he were not born in the USA, he would not even be a citizen at birth. He would have had to naturalize at some point.

But the previous poster was trying to say that the definition of Natural Born Citizen is even trickier. We don't know if perhaps BOTH his parents needed to be citizens at his birth, or if he had to have been born with no allegiance to another land. The Constitution is not completely clear on what defines a Natural Born Citizen.

65 posted on 02/04/2011 10:27:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

The Constitution is not completely clear on what defines a Natural Born Citizen.

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Mis-defining does not help. It is not “Natural Born Citizen”. It is “natural born Citizen”.

Only Citizen is capitalized because it was formal, specific, defined term in the Constitution. This was Citizen of the [one of] the United States. The adjectives of ‘natural’ and ‘born’ added normal refinement to the type of actual Citizen that qualified to be President.

Capitalization matters and it especially matters here. People keep looking for the magical definition of “natural born Citizen” and is common mis-represented derivatives of Natural Born Citizen, Natural-born Citizen, natural-born Citizen. But when you look that actual words and do not mis-represent them the definitions are simple to find. Go look up “natural” and “born” in the dictionary. That is apparently what the founders did.


68 posted on 02/05/2011 4:55:43 AM PST by bluecat6
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To: Yaelle

See post # 74.


75 posted on 02/07/2011 10:28:55 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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