There is no evidence he was ever adopted. And no, his registration in a PRIVATE Indonesian School doesn't say he was adopted. And no, the Soetoro divorce decree doesn't prove it, either.
Butterdezillion's blog says the Hawaii Department of Health (HDOH) has indirectly confirmed that Obama’s FactCheck.org COLB is a forgery because:
Butterdezillion's blog says a lot of things, most of which is nonsense.
1) They have made a statutory admission that his certification of Live Birth (COLB) has been amended,
I'm aware Butterdezillion claims the above. Unfortunately, she has no evidence to back up her claim, just a lot of speculation and innuendo.
2) Director Okubao has said that Oahu birth certificate’s have always been given the birth certificate number by the HDOH on the “date filed.” The FactCheck.org COLB has a “date filed” 3 days earlier than the Nordyke twins’ but was given a number later than theirs. This statement by Okubo rules out past explanations (hospitals numbering the birth certificate’s or being given blocks of numbers, or birth certificate’s sitting in piles at the HDOH for days before being numbered). This means that either the “date filed”, certificate number, or both have been altered on the FactCheck.org COLB.
Uh huh. And how, exactly, do you know that birth certificate numbering is always that precise? You're talking about a government bureaucracy here.
Because Obama’s genuine birth certificate is amended, Hawaii law (HRS 338-17)
But there's nothing to suggest it is amended.
Obama has fought lawsuits to make sure that his birth certificate could never be presented as evidence, even though it is the only way he can have any birth facts legally determined.
The lawsuits never got to the stage where it was necessary for him to submit evidence.
You: In fact Hawaii appears to have admitted it was amended
Me: No it has not.
Yes it has prove it.
Okay. There is no such admission, anywhere in the public domain. That proves it doesn't exist.
Me: Well the government report you cite says the problems are concentrated on the Southern border. It makes no mention of any fraud problems in Hawaii, and there is no evidence of any widespread BC fraud in Hawaii.....
You: Not yet..but thats just one govt report.
Okay. So do you have any evidence that there's significant amount of BC fraud in Hawaii? And no, a single fraud committed 100 years ago, before Hawaii was even a state, doesn't count.
You: Hawaii made it so easy to get a BC they may not have needed to resort to mid-wife fraud.
Me:...... Hawaii made it no easier than any other state at the time...
You:Yes they did,
Okay. Prove it.
Duh no its not a major crossing point but it is a destination center.
Not for illegal alien mothers with newborn babies.
Japanese, Filipinos and Mexicans are illegally in Hawaii.
Japanese?!!! Are you kidding?
She likely didn't know either but in any case the age and pp and residency requirements were available in chart form,
Really. A chart form. You got any evidence such a chart ever existed?
the naturalization was not.
The idea that an educated bank manager wouldn't have even inquired as the possibilities of naturalization for her grandson is too ridiculous for words.
She may have planned on going to Hawaii but delayed and not allowed to leave Kenya.
So how would a forged birth certificate have helped?
She may have gone to Canada.
Got any evidnece of that?
We really dont know because the State Department destroyed her passport records,
Her passport records would not have provided any information on her travels. Sorry to dissapoint you.
TELL ME WHY OBAMA SHOULD NOT SHOW HIS LONG FORM BC
Because it is not necessary to establish his eligibility, and by not showing it, he encourages the birther movement, which ends up dividing and embarassing the GOP. any adoption records
There is no evidence he was adopted. But even if he was, it wouldn't affect his eligibility.
and school records as well as explain how and when he got his Social Security Card
Also irrelevant to his eligibility.
He needs to put up or step down.
He will do neither, and there's nothing either you or any birther can do about it.
He is dividing the nation over a $12.00 issue.
No. He's only dividing his opposotion. His base and the independent swing voters don't care. The only people who care about this issue are people who would never vote for him in the first place. Hence he can safely ignore you.
As he himself said the only people who don't want to disclose the truth are those with something to hide. There is no logical explanation for his hiding all his records other than they contain bad news for him,
Sure there is. By hiding them, he encourages nutjobs like you to come up with wild conspiracy theories that divide and embarass his opposition.
Using your “logic” there is nothing that say he wasn't adopted either. The point being we have a right to know.
....Butterdezillion's blog says a lot of things, most of which is nonsense......
Your opinion is duly noted and rejected.
....Unfortunately, she has no evidence to back up her claim, just a lot of speculation and innuendo...
I consider her to have evidence of some weight again your opinion is rejected.
.... Uh huh. And how, exactly, do you know that birth certificate numbering is always that precise? You're talking about a government bureaucracy here.....
So you agree HDOH screwed up numerous times, when you want it to but they are perfect when you want that too. Yeah that's the ticket.
....... But there's nothing to suggest it is amended....
Sure their is but it went right over your head.
......The lawsuits never got to the stage where it was necessary for him to submit evidence...
Now you are really getting over your head..
.... Okay. There is no such admission, anywhere in the public domain. That proves it doesn't exist....
ROFLMAO again over your head.
Let me explain 1+1=2
..... Okay. So do you have any evidence that there's significant amount of BC fraud in Hawaii? And no, a single fraud committed 100 years ago, before Hawaii was even a state, doesn't count....
That's part of what Hawaii is hiding..this case itself has probable cause that a crime has been committed, Abercrombie cant find the BC so where is it what happened to it? What's you excuse for that one?
.....You: Hawaii made it so easy to get a BC they may not have needed to resort to mid-wife fraud.
Me:...... Hawaii made it no easier than any other state at the time...
You:Yes they did,
Okay. Prove it.....
Read their laws and get back to me Im not going to take the time to hold your hand on this too.
...Duh no its not a major crossing point but it is a destination center.....Thank you for the admission,
Japanese?!!! Are you kidding?
Ichi Ban, you forget I've been there and Japan too. Try the tourism industry for a start.
...She likely didn't know either but in any case the age and pp and residency requirements were available in chart form,
Really. A chart form. You got any evidence such a chart ever existed?....
Sure idiot, just ask any Immigration Attorney or Immigration Officer. How do you think they teach the law? Gett off your duff and google it.
.....The idea that an educated bank manager wouldn't have even inquired as the possibilities of naturalization for her grandson is too ridiculous for words....Yeah this is a real brainy family, you'd think they would have taught their daughter about birth control or to keep her legs closed, being so educated as you say, then none of this mess would ever have happened. Being so educated they also could have flown her out of the country to Europe/Scandinavia for an abortion. Guess they didn't think of that?
She may have planned on going to Hawaii but delayed and not allowed to leave Kenya.
...So how would a forged birth certificate have helped?....
If the birth in foreign country was not planned she may have had to make a quick decision without getting real legal advice and Granny went with the forged registration..like Aloha Ronnie said it happened all the time.
She may have gone to Canada.
...Got any evidence of that?...
Got any evidence she didn't?
We really don't know because the State Department destroyed her passport records,
....Her passport records would not have provided any information on her travels....
Sorry to disappoint you,They would have shown when she obtained her first passport sorry you are to dense or deceptive to admit that. It is evidence of a cover-up. Why destroy and cover up somthing that as you state wouldn't provide andy information on her travel. The point being it would have shown she could have travelled but you know that and are being disengenous. Read the case.
TELL ME WHY OBAMA SHOULD NOT SHOW HIS LONG FORM BC
.... Because it is not necessary to establish his eligibility, and by not showing it, he encourages the birther movement, which ends up dividing and embarrassing the GOP...
You funny girl over 60% of the US question his eligibility, guess he wasn't so smart after all if he really does have a BC. Again, By the way why can't Gov.Abercrombie find it?
.....There is no evidence he was adopted. But even if he was, it wouldn't affect his eligibility.....
It would at least make him a liar (more than he is already)and it something we have a right to know. He denies muslim indoctrination and religion.
and school records as well as explain how and when he got his Social Security Card
....Also irrelevant to his eligibility....No it goes to fraud and his whole identity...so does his draft registration which would make him ineligible.
He needs to put up or step down.
...... He will do neither, and there's nothing either you or any birther can do about it...
OOOOH nice attitude, lets see we have a lying sack of crap of a President who has no ethics, is acting like a dictator, corrupt to the core, violating numerous laws, spending millions on vacations at time of depression, challenging judges, and you say there is nothing we can do about it. SO I take it you like this a$$hole Pres who let a man go to prison for the sole reason as you say he wants to divide the people who won't vote for him. I don't know who is stupider, you or him.
He is dividing the nation over a $12.00 issue.
..... No. He's only dividing his opposition. His base and the independent swing voters don't care. The only people who care about this issue are people who would never vote for him in the first place. Hence he can safely ignore you....
As he himself said the only people who don't want to disclose the truth are those with something to hide. There is no logical explanation for his hiding all his records other than they contain bad news for him,
...Sure there is. By hiding them, he encourages nutjobs like you to come up with wild conspiracy theories that divide and embarrass his opposition.....
Using your convoluted theory, will he ever disclose his records or do we wait until he is dead? Are those nutjobs running the states that are passing legislation to require proof of his eligibility? Not divided and embarrassed, united and pissed off. You are funny!
I'm not embarrassed by questioning authority, I am embarrassed that he was not vetted and we the people have every right to question his eligibility until it is proven one way or the other whether you like it or not and there is nothing you can do about it but continue to make a fool of yourself by siding with the little general.
Your refusal to demand the truth shows you don't want to know the truth or are afraid of the truth. What do you have to lose by having the truth out in the open for all to see? Don't you want the people to have confidence in their government? Suppose you are wrong and he is just another typical identify theft wet then what? Why should we have to rely on opinions instead of facts? You want to make birthers look stupid, demand the truth show us up! Oh yeah that's what Abercrombie thought he would do he drank the Kool-Aid, and is now drowning in it.